|
Post by Oliver Rooney on Jan 1, 2019 22:48:40 GMT
I am starting to get into a long relationship with my mx5 now had my mk1 for 4 years now I think and I am getting to the point where I need a bit more power I have been thinking forced induction rout in the near future or itbs.
Also the ever growing realisation of cam belt is needing to be done and rattley old lifters etc my thoughts at the minute are to send my mx5 to skuzzle for the fast road package amongst a few other little bits that need doing to start off in the right place.
And at the minute my savings could allow me to spend out on a fast road package from skuzzle.
I just wondered if any of you lot on here have any advice or had the fast road package done etc
Cheers in advance Ollie
|
|
jon
Chats A Lot
Posts: 270
|
Post by jon on Jan 2, 2019 7:29:48 GMT
For nearly 3 grand, I honestly wouldn't bother. It's a lot of money for a comparatively small gain. You could get nearly the same by dropping in a low mileage VVT engine + ECU to control, if you are lucky for less than a grand.
If you are handy with the spanners, or are prepared to learn you could get a turbo kit for similar sort of money.
|
|
khare
Chats A Bit
Posts: 248
|
Post by khare on Jan 2, 2019 10:54:15 GMT
I agree, £3k is almost turbo money and you're looking at double stock power.
I'll give you a quick breakdown of my setup, prices are to memory.
ECU - £600 TD04 Turbo - £120 Turbo Dynamics Hybrid conversion - £600 (Hybrid conversion, if you stick with a simple turbo rebuild I think this was £350/£400) Black Cat Motorsport downpipe and Kraken manifold, along with turbo fitting kit - £550 Injector Dynamics 1050cc injectors - £430 (You can use RX8 yellow Injectors, you can find these for half the price) AEM Wideband - £160 Intercooler and pipe fabrication from Skuzzle - £400 Rolling Road Tune from Skuzzle - £300 Studs, nuts and bolts for turbo and other bits - £100 Electronic Boost Control Solenoid - £50 Air Filter - £30 Other (wiring, cable ties, electrical connectors, jubilee clips, etc) - £50
That leaves you with about £70 change from £3k. That's a bit short of a Skuzzle clutch and a used 1.8 flywheel to mount it on to, however you can use a standard 1.6 clutch if it's got relatively good life left on it. Hayling5 uses a 1.6 clutch on his running 240hp just fine. I'm currently using a 1.6 clutch on mine running around 280hp, seems fine however I do have the 1.8 skuzzle clutch in my other mx5 I'm waiting to be swapped.
You're looking at 220-240hp with that setup, which is much more you'll get from an NA tune.
Fitting a turbo is a relatively simple task. I swapped mine over from one car to the other in a day. The hardest bit is the wiring, although if you know what goes where it's easy. The mechanical bits are easy, just time consuming.
You're welcome to come see the setup and chat some more. I'm located in Lymington.
|
|
|
Post by Oliver Rooney on Jan 2, 2019 20:58:05 GMT
I agree, £3k is almost turbo money and you're looking at double stock power. I'll give you a quick breakdown of my setup, prices are to memory. ECU - £600 TD04 Turbo - £120 Turbo Dynamics Hybrid conversion - £600 (Hybrid conversion, if you stick with a simple turbo rebuild I think this was £350/£400) Black Cat Motorsport downpipe and Kraken manifold, along with turbo fitting kit - £550 Injector Dynamics 1050cc injectors - £430 (You can use RX8 yellow Injectors, you can find these for half the price) AEM Wideband - £160 Intercooler and pipe fabrication from Skuzzle - £400 Rolling Road Tune from Skuzzle - £300 Studs, nuts and bolts for turbo and other bits - £100 Electronic Boost Control Solenoid - £50 Air Filter - £30 Other (wiring, cable ties, electrical connectors, jubilee clips, etc) - £50 That leaves you with about £70 change from £3k. That's a bit short of a Skuzzle clutch and a used 1.8 flywheel to mount it on to, however you can use a standard 1.6 clutch if it's got relatively good life left on it. Hayling5 uses a 1.6 clutch on his running 240hp just fine. I'm currently using a 1.6 clutch on mine running around 280hp, seems fine however I do have the 1.8 skuzzle clutch in my other mx5 I'm waiting to be swapped. You're looking at 220-240hp with that setup, which is much more you'll get from an NA tune. Fitting a turbo is a relatively simple task. I swapped mine over from one car to the other in a day. The hardest bit is the wiring, although if you know what goes where it's easy. The mechanical bits are easy, just time consuming. You're welcome to come see the setup and chat some more. I'm located in Lymington. Cheers man to tell you the truth i am leaning towards turboing my mx5 and holding off for a little while!! And to be honest if i am ever planning a day trip down i am egar to meet someone with a turbo mx5 to give me the push to get it sorted!!
|
|
khare
Chats A Bit
Posts: 248
|
Post by khare on Jan 2, 2019 21:37:32 GMT
Hold off and turbo the thing then! It’s vwry very very fun in a lightweight car like the MX5.
|
|
|
Post by quinvy on Jan 3, 2019 20:46:46 GMT
What about insurance? I'm amazed that you can get insured for these cars, pushing out so much power.
|
|
khare
Chats A Bit
Posts: 248
|
Post by khare on Jan 3, 2019 20:52:07 GMT
I’ve just paid 550.
28 years old Fully comp Everything declared 8000 miles per year 10 years ncb
|
|
|
Post by Oliver Rooney on Jan 3, 2019 22:01:01 GMT
I’ve just paid 550. 28 years old Fully comp Everything declared 8000 miles per year 10 years ncb Yeah mine hasn't got loads of power but a lot of chasis bits and interior bits all insured I'm 24 think on 8000-10000 miles a .year 1 years no clames and to be honest my licence isnt shinny i think i paid 660 odd think it was cheaper to be honest!
|
|
|
Post by atlex on Jan 4, 2019 12:18:41 GMT
do drop who you are insured with, too (ffs)
|
|
|
Post by schercheeroo on Jan 4, 2019 12:45:45 GMT
£224 with Adrian flux (less than a years car tax) Turbo'd 1.8 mk1 with all mods declared. 5000 miles limited mileage policy.
|
|
|
Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jan 27, 2019 18:13:20 GMT
As above, NA tuning is only really worth getting into if you have to because of race / hill climb regulations. Or if you just love the noise, which is why I did it. The throttle response is amazing as well, but being honest I only bring that up because I'm desperately trying to justify why I spent £2800 and ended up with 177bhp. Otherwise, supercharger or turbo or engine swap makes more sense. Don't underestimate how much any of the routes will cost though ... it's a slippery slope!
Russell
|
|
|
Post by ecksjay on Jan 29, 2019 13:31:54 GMT
VVT swap, me221, 155bhp. zing, done. VVT engines are basically free so it's just the labour to switch the loom over or jerry rig a solution, plus the ECU and mapping, but you'd need that whatever you do. Best bang for buck without going turbo. even then you can add a turbo later if you wish. N/A tuning is a pricey game as mentioned above (Russell - ouch).
|
|
|
Post by wannabe on Jan 29, 2019 17:00:14 GMT
VVT swap, me221, 155bhp. zing, done. VVT engines are basically free so it's just the labour to switch the loom over or jerry rig a solution, plus the ECU and mapping, but you'd need that whatever you do. Best bang for buck without going turbo. even then you can add a turbo later if you wish. N/A tuning is a pricey game as mentioned above (Russell - ouch). That's the 1.8 VVT from the NB/mk2.5? Does the ME221 mean that you can still run the VVT in an NA? Is it not a mission to set up if that's the case?? lol I'm kind of wondering about options for mine, given it looks like the head's got to come off at some point, so I kind of wonder whether to just do an engine swap and be done with. Are the VVTs as revvy as the shortnose 1.6 lumps?
|
|
|
Post by atlex on Jan 29, 2019 17:03:14 GMT
the 1.8 also offers the GQM build, late block, 99 head, beeg powa! the ME ecus support VVT control. I think you'd want a protuna to skuzzle it.
|
|
|
Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jan 29, 2019 22:18:16 GMT
VVT swap, me221, 155bhp. zing, done. VVT engines are basically free so it's just the labour to switch the loom over or jerry rig a solution, plus the ECU and mapping, but you'd need that whatever you do. Best bang for buck without going turbo. even then you can add a turbo later if you wish. N/A tuning is a pricey game as mentioned above (Russell - ouch). Are the VVTs as revvy as the shortnose 1.6 lumps? No, but they have 30bhp more which is waaaaay more fun & useable. Lightened flywheel is worth doing to help the revs Russell
|
|