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Post by dadbif on Mar 3, 2019 14:51:54 GMT
Which pads then? I run original daisies, so not too much Unsprung weight..
I drive as fast as possible and brake late, as I said previously, I am not unhappy with the EBC green stuff, but I’m open to suggestions
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Post by wannabe on Mar 3, 2019 17:13:47 GMT
So , general consensus appears to be that 1.6 callipers and discs (in excellent condition, that mine are) are more than adequate, it’s the pads that make the difference. That makes sense because it is the pad that grips the disc! I knew that already, so perhaps my question should have been what are the best pads for fast road use? Which pads will make me say “canoe me those green stuff were prarrie canoe”? I had Greenstuff many years ago and found they had no 'bite' from cold (or even when warm...). On my previous car and this one I've had Pagid Blue (RS4-2, I think?), Carbone Lorraine RC5+ and Hawk HP Plus. I'd run all of them again due to their excellent bite from stone cold and their good, fade-free hot performance, although TBH I've not had a proper run on the Hawks to really get them hot so can't comment re: fade characteristics on those. They are all quite aggressive, the CLs and Hawks more than the Pagids, and they all have a bit of squeal in traffic, but I like that  The Hawk and CL I found/find to be quite 'grind-y' when cold, like you can feel them eating the disks, but again I quite like that. I did do a set of front (autolink, £15) front discs in 8 months with the Hawks, though, and I am a very light braker generally... lol The Hawk and CL are perhaps more difficult to modulate on a lighter car due to their high mu ratings, but personally speaking I like the extra confidence they give - I prefer to know they will work when asked, rather than throwing out the anchors and hoping they are warm enough to bite immediately. (I don't know what came on the 5 when I got it but if first brake of the day was to avoid an errant pedestrian, I seriously doubted I would have missed them...) I'm not sure if the Pagids or CL come in sizes to fit the 5 but the Hawks definitely do - Moss sells them and they are usually in their 25percent off sales when they have them, which makes them not *totally* horrendous in price... |
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Post by Crumpets on Mar 16, 2019 10:19:31 GMT
Interesting read, just to give my two pence - I went from a stock 1.6 brake setup with pattern discs + mintex pads, to a 1.8 SVT "BBK" with OEM discs and mintex pads.
In my experience the difference is only when really going in hard on the brakes, general usage i had a bit of a better brake feel but it was only when i stomped on i noticed a difference as previously my 1.6 setup would fade very fast. I also feel that the initial 'grab' of the brake is a lot more, i found this out giving it some left foot braking during some spirited driving and almost ate the windscreen hahaha.
I'm yet to use the setup on track, and i'm also yet to change the pads to a more aggressive style, so that would be interesting to see the difference.
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Post by niklas on Mar 16, 2019 16:18:51 GMT
So , general consensus appears to be that 1.6 callipers and discs (in excellent condition, that mine are) are more than adequate, it’s the pads that make the difference. That makes sense because it is the pad that grips the disc! I knew that already, so perhaps my question should have been what are the best pads for fast road use? Which pads will make me say “canoe me those green stuff were prarrie canoe”? Most hawk dtc's. Any carbotech. Well... Any non-stuff track pad. Green stuff is a street pad, it works until you go fast. Then you cook it. On a stock engine car with upgraded suspension I'd just throw on some carbotech xp8's and be done with it. On my car, I ran wilwood 4-pots wit xp10 280mm discs, rbf600, and 2,5" brake cooling ducts front. Still cracked discs due to heat. Now trying dtc-60 and non slotted discs. Adequate depends wildly.  Here's some reading: wiki.seloc.org/a/Brake_pads |
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Post by wannabe on Mar 16, 2019 23:40:58 GMT
So , general consensus appears to be that 1.6 callipers and discs (in excellent condition, that mine are) are more than adequate, it’s the pads that make the difference. That makes sense because it is the pad that grips the disc! I knew that already, so perhaps my question should have been what are the best pads for fast road use? Which pads will make me say “canoe me those green stuff were prarrie canoe”? Most hawk dtc's. Any carbotech. Well... Any non-stuff track pad. Green stuff is a street pad, it works until you go fast. Then you cook it. On a stock engine car with upgraded suspension I'd just throw on some carbotech xp8's and be done with it. On my car, I ran wilwood 4-pots wit xp10 280mm discs, rbf600, and 2,5" brake cooling ducts front. Still cracked discs due to heat. Now trying dtc-60 and non slotted discs. Adequate depends wildly. Here's some reading: wiki.seloc.org/a/Brake_padsThanks for finding that Hawk graph! It had disappeared off the website when I was looking for it previously, grr. You can see the high initial bite of the HP+. That is what swayed me towards them - I don't do much track work and I'm very light on my brakes day-to-day on the road, often relying on planning ahead and engine braking to lose speed, so they don't often get hot enough to activate a full-on race compound, and I like to actually be able to stop on cold pads... lol I've tried a car with the DTC-60s on and I wasn't keen on them personally - from cold they didn't really have much 'bite' (much less than the HP+, obviously) and didn't seem to warm up very quickly, even after a few 60mph-10mph relatively hard stops. I think they would likely be terrible on an icy winter morning! lol. If they are for mainly track work, though, and full-on road driving, perhaps they are much better suited. I'm interested to try the Carbotechs at some point, but the lack of mu graphs is annoying. Why can't all manufacturers provide them?? If they are as good as the HP+ and the CL RC5+ I've used previously, they'd be great. That SELOC page is really useful  |
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