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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 10:07:09 GMT
Okay, let's look at the conspiracy theory and imagine for a moment that the Rothschild family decided to suppress some patent of Tesla's and make the world forget about him until the internet rediscovered him and fought back. For one thing there's the issue of how 'forgotten' Tesla ever was when they honoured him by naming the SI unit of magnetic flux 'the tesla' after him in 1960. So was that before or after he was forgotten? Then there's the patent itself. Is the patent suppressed and erased from history, or is it a public document? If it's secret, what are all the free energy claimants basing their designs on? If it's publicly available, I'd like to read it. The example I linked to seems to be pretty typical of the vast range of people who have done just what you said you would do: upload their free energy generator idea to the internet for free. And that one actually does cite a genuine Tesla patent. But it's not a patent for a free energy generator. It's a patent for a conventional electric generator that is claimed to have improved speed regulation. It's exactly as if the person who posted it used the patent as window dressing and didn't expect anyone to bother reading it. And of course there is the further problem that the internet has been filling up with plans for free energy generators for several years, yet where are all the actual machines? Is there an example anywhere in the world of someone whose home has gone off the electricity grid because they're making their own power from a simple quantum zero-point power generator they built in their own basement? Where are the success stories? So I'm entirely willing to consider any evidence, but so far all I've found appears to be imaginary. One I've kept half an eye on for a while is the recently-defunct Steorn project: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steorn They said they had a free energy generator concept but it looks remarkably like what they had really invented is a free money generator, which extracted funding from gullible investers for year after year. |
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 10:23:15 GMT
I just had a brilliant idea for a free energy generator: I'm going to find Nikola Tesla's grave and fit a generator to his spinning corpse.  |
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Post by Horney on Nov 28, 2016 10:50:36 GMT
I just had a brilliant idea for a free energy generator: I'm going to find Nikola Tesla's grave and fit a generator to his spinning corpse.  |
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Post by V6 on Nov 28, 2016 11:44:36 GMT
Just focusing on UFOs for one moment. There will always have to be interpretation in the absence of hard evidence. So you come down to a few choices:
1. Either millions of people are lying and no one has seen a thing.
2. Or you accept these objects exist. In which case you either accept they are man made, or...
3. They come from elsewhere.
Your argument so far appears to have been to dismiss every option above. Your opinion is as valid as any other in the face of hard evidence. But I'd love to know your alternative theory? Are you one of the people who think we are alone in trillion of stars? Do you think the world has no secrets - either man made or otherwise?
The following you can accept or not. It makes no odds to me. One small fly in the ointment, only from my personal perspective, is that I know for a fact that some of these cases must be real. Why? I personally saw something in 1985 as a boy on the way to school. However I did not jump to any conclusions about it. I am still open minded as to what it may have been.
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 12:30:01 GMT
I think that's a false dichotomy. It's not a choice between millions (really?) of people lying or accepting "these objects" exist. They can be mistaken. People misidentify stuff all the time.
My personal opinion is that we're probably not the only intelligent life in the universe, or even in our galaxy. But our galaxy is a hundred million light years across and since light speed appears to be a hard limit, we are vanishingly unlikely ever to be visited by anyone else.
I once spotted a bizarre light in the sky one dark night which was too big to be a planet, star or plane, and it had a distinctly angular shape. And the shape began to change. Sometimes smaller, sometimes larger. After about a minute, just as I was getting into a proper panic, the clouds parted for long enough that I could see I was looking at the full moon through an ever-changing gap between well defined clouds.
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Post by V6 on Nov 28, 2016 14:12:39 GMT
The 1997 Phoenix Lights sighting alone was seen by ten thousand witnesses. Of course I have no idea how many have been seen in total. But you can bet the large percentage of those were never reported.
The black projects do not have their budgets regulated at all. It is on record and searchable that trillions of dollars go missing annually into mysterious black projects. Not billions - trillions. It is reported that Nelson Rockefeller was on the board of directors for these black projects. Since those days it has been reported that not even the presidents have access to those levels.
With regard to the speed of light, that is under real threat of being made to look false. For example the theories surrounding the Higgs Boson particle, Tachyon, etc. You cannot for one moment assume we know everything at this primitive stage in our development.
Ok so loads of tangents spiralling out of this now. So all that said, I am hesitant to get drawn into a long debate. Mainly as there is so much information out there, it really is up to the individual to make the effort and come to their own conclusions. We are all free to believe what we wish. However I think some people will be too scared to have their world illusions changed no matter what. I would advise NOT relying upon the mass media for an informed view though.
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 15:05:16 GMT
The 1997 Phoenix Lights sighting alone was seen by ten thousand witnesses... I hadn't heard of that one but, reading its Wikipedia page, it sounds like a mundane explanation fits. I do accept that the proposed explanation doesn't fit every detail of what various witnesses think they saw, but then again their accounts don't match each other in detail either. I thought it was compelling that comparison of the video evidence by triangulation and by matching to daylight video allegedly agree the 'second event' was a pattern of distant parachute flares somwhere near an airforce base to the southwest, and not a single large aircraft over the city. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights#Explanations |
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Post by V6 on Nov 28, 2016 15:07:48 GMT
One other fact to bear in mind... The Wright brothers were the first people to get a rickety little DIY plane off the ground for a very brief period of time. Then 66 years later we were on the moon.
You cannot be suggesting that in the half a century since the moon adventures that we have had virtually no advancement at all. The same old jets and rocket technology cannot possibly still be the only thing the worlds top scientists have be working on. Give me a break! Every other aspect of human advancement is in exponential growth. Yet according to the mainstream our aircraft have gone virtually nowhere in comparison. Despite trillions being spent.
Yeah, ok.
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 15:30:56 GMT
The black projects do not have their budgets regulated at all. It is on record and searchable that trillions of dollars go missing annually into mysterious black projects. Not billions - trillions. It is reported that Nelson Rockefeller was on the board of directors for these black projects. Since those days it has been reported that not even the presidents have access to those levels. How searchable is it? Plainly if the budget is top secret then you can't just Google it, but what you can do is Google how much money the US has got to play with (because they have to get it from the taxpayers) and how much is spent on stuff that isn't military research. This says the military budget is around 16% of the total Federal budget: www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/17/facebook-posts/pie-chart-federal-spending-circulating-internet-mi/And this says the revenue is around $3 trillion. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_United_States_federal_budgetSo even if we can't know where the 'trillions' go missing to each year, there's the puzzle of what trillions? Even if the figures are fiddled to nick a bit here and there for off-the-books projects, trillions from a budget of 3 trillion is a stretch. So where do these trillions come from in the first place? I presume the Nelson Rockefeller you referred to is the Vice President Nelson Rockefeller who died in 1979. If the vice president was a director of classified military projects, that doesn't seem especially sinister to me. And it may well have been 'reported' that the president hasn't got security clearance for top level military secrets but I feel bound to ask how credible that 'report' really is. |
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 15:41:45 GMT
One other fact to bear in mind... The Wright brothers were the first people to get a rickety little DIY plane off the ground for a very brief period of time. Then 66 years later we were on the moon. You cannot be suggesting that in the half a century since the moon adventures that we have had virtually no advancement at all. The same old jets and rocket technology cannot possibly still be the only thing the worlds top scientists have be working on. Give me a break! Every other aspect of human advancement is in exponential growth. Yet according to the mainstream our aircraft have gone virtually nowhere in comparison. Despite trillions being spent. Yeah, ok. I'm definitely not going to suggest anything like that. If you put the Vietnam war era US Air Force up against the present day US Air Force, the 1960s force would be annihilated. Likewise the army. But I'm not seeing evidence for a propulsion system that is set to fundamentally replace the jet engine. Not even in principle. If you know better, I'm very happy to look at the evidence. |
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Post by Horney on Nov 28, 2016 16:04:40 GMT
One other fact to bear in mind... The Wright brothers were the first people to get a rickety little DIY plane off the ground for a very brief period of time. Then 66 years later we were on the moon. You cannot be suggesting that in the half a century since the moon adventures that we have had virtually no advancement at all. The same old jets and rocket technology cannot possibly still be the only thing the worlds top scientists have be working on. Give me a break! Every other aspect of human advancement is in exponential growth. Yet according to the mainstream our aircraft have gone virtually nowhere in comparison. Despite trillions being spent. Yeah, ok. I think a lot of that can be put down to the fact a lot of money was spent on flight and the moon landings. Flight: Travel time is just not that important anymore. The internet has removed the need to get anywhere speedy for business and holiday makers aren't going to pay 4 times the price of the current ticket to halve their travel time. Military use is now on not focused on speed either. Stealth and unmanned are their drivers. All this ,eams there's no money being pushed towards this kind of R&D. SPace: The Moon was fun and exciting. It didn't generate any revenue though. These days of massive western budget deficits means most governments can throw the cash around in a space race without it having a decent ROI and one just doesn't exist on a national level. THis is why we've seen so many commercial businesses step into this space. China and India are forging ahead with Space programs but the Chinese economy is on shaky ground and you can bet that if it does start to properly wobble the space program gets mothballed fairly quickly. All that said to me it seems a great shame that as a race we've kind of lost our exploration drive. I think a lot of is due to how we're now able to see alot of these things in the universe with clever equipment which lessons the need for boot son the ground. The next big drive to the stars will come when we've fully Canoeed the planet and we need somewhere else to ruin live. |
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 16:22:54 GMT
... The next big drive to the stars will come when we've fully canoeed the planet and we need somewhere else to ruin live. I'm sure the Chinese are thinking they could just about get people on Mars before the US or anyone else. Not much to do when you get there though. An airless desert washed by cosmic rays isn't hugely appealing, to me at any rate. Cool to visit but an awful lot harder to leave than the moon was. We'll need to make a small-narrow-boat-propelled-by-paddles type mess of the Earth before Mars looks inviting. |
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Post by V6 on Nov 28, 2016 16:54:01 GMT
First click... 2.3 Trillion dollars missing in ONE year alone... Yeah, I'm sure they just spent that on polishing up the old jet planes The fact is for a very long time the black projects have not reported to the President directly. By law these black projects can take as much funding as they see fit from Washington with no one to say otherwise. It is a scary situation as it indicates there is a government behind the facade. The reasons for this compartmentalisations are usually given as national security. But it is pretty damn alarming and raises the question... is the USA even a democracy? Vote for whoever you like, they are not even informed, let alone in control of the real power. I suggest at the very least researching the full history of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. |
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Post by V6 on Nov 28, 2016 17:12:04 GMT
OK, ignore the crappy title as it is misleading. This is about the Rothschilds. This is longer than five minutes so well beyond the attention span of most people today. However if you can a manage to listen to it for the full length you will get an idea of how powerful just one family in the elite circle is. Makes our Queen look like a homeless bum.
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This wont show you how they made their trillions from the major world wars (you'll need to search for the full history), but it does outline the basic structures of money (power) flows.
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Post by martiny on Nov 28, 2016 17:42:06 GMT
First click... 2.3 Trillion dollars missing in ONE year alone... Context matters. Rumsfeld was not there to be scolded for losing $2.3 trillion down the back of the sofa. That was more than the entire federal budget that year. He was asking for money to improve the Department of Defense's accounting systems. He was saying that money could not be automatically tracked through the system to proper accounting standards because of a legacy of having a number of different, incompatible computer systems. www.metabunk.org/debunked-rumsfeld-says-2-3-trillion-missing-from-the-pentagon.t165/ |
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le sigh