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Post by magnox on Jul 7, 2021 10:37:37 GMT
Hi guys been running my Nc 3.5 for 4 years now mainly hill climbs and sprints with bbr 200 kit plus usual suspension mods Meisters etc but ready for more power just can’t decide which way to go bbr 225 or bbr turbo stage 2 or even supercharger route only probs with FI is going up next class but don’t really mind this 225 bbr throttle bodies keeps me under 2 litre !
Not sure if 225 from 200 will add much apart from fantastic noise ?
Thanks
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Post by wannabe on Jul 7, 2021 11:22:06 GMT
What cost are you looking at to upgrade?
Have you considered lightening where possible, or do you need some road manners? lol
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Post by sandys on Jul 8, 2021 0:16:57 GMT
Hi guys been running my Nc 3.5 for 4 years now mainly hill climbs and sprints with bbr 200 kit plus usual suspension mods Meisters etc but ready for more power just can’t decide which way to go bbr 225 or bbr turbo stage 2 or even supercharger route only probs with FI is going up next class but don’t really mind this 225 bbr throttle bodies keeps me under 2 litre ! Not sure if 225 from 200 will add much apart from fantastic noise ? Thanks Been in much the same position, didn't want to go sprinting in the same old NC again, I have gone for the NA approach and have been pretty disappointed with what you get for the dough but at the same time I've always been at the sharp end so it's not all bad, I spoke to a few people trying to find someone to do the next step on my NC now that Skuzzle has gone, no one really wanted to doing anything once I said I wanted more NA power and road legal, BBR seem to be the only people confident they could do it and so after 2 prior aborted approaches to BBR I decided ah feck it, lets see what they can do, they've had my car for some time now for the ITBs and the engine stuff to go with it, probably a big mistake but throttle bodies is something I have wanted for a while. Hoping they come through but the lack of comms and time they are taking is not filling me with confidence. If I put my sensible head on I probably should have just got a supercharger, I'll do that with the ND perhaps, class structure be damned, SW classes are all filling up with boosted things which fit in the 1.8-2.6 category like exiges/elise, yaris gr etc. a tuned NA 2.0 doesn't stand much chance anyway, may as well have an equally poor chance of success in A4 with a boosted 2.0 and enjoy the the extra speed, it would at least make it a very different experience. |
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Post by magnox on Jul 9, 2021 9:00:41 GMT
Hi matey thought u disappeared haven’t seen u around for few years, yeah tend to agree with u as I really want some big horses from FI and can compete in hill climbs although handicapped but so what, even thought engine swap to 2.5 but defeats the object really
Drove Roddinsons nd with manifold and ap brakes wow what car and did it stop but skyactive engine is relatively soft not tuff as mc duratec !
Been thinking of caterham but I drive some long distances off the Yorkshire harewood hill climb soon not ideal in kit car defo don’t want trailer !
I think added 25 hp and 8 pounds torque hardly notice ?
Have u driven 225 Bbr yet ?
Probably ok if coming from 180 hp ?
Why would u go supercharger not turbo ?
Questions Questions
Cheers Shaun
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Post by magnox on Jul 10, 2021 13:49:07 GMT
What cost are you looking at to upgrade? Have you considered lightening where possible, or do you need some road manners? lol Yes considering lighting but got to keep some toad equipment installed costs are around 5-6 k for turbo/ supercharger |
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Post by sandys on Jul 10, 2021 20:02:28 GMT
Hi matey thought u disappeared haven’t seen u around for few years, yeah tend to agree with u as I really want some big horses from FI and can compete in hill climbs although handicapped but so what, even thought engine swap to 2.5 but defeats the object really Drove Roddinsons nd with manifold and ap brakes wow what car and did it stop but skyactive engine is relatively soft not tuff as mc duratec ! Been thinking of caterham but I drive some long distances off the Yorkshire harewood hill climb soon not ideal in kit car defo don’t want trailer ! I think added 25 hp and 8 pounds torque hardly notice ? Have u driven 225 Bbr yet ? Probably ok if coming from 180 hp ? Why would u go supercharger not turbo ? Questions Questions Cheers Shaun Yup its been a while, was due to return when Corona hit and then didn't see the point, had hoped to get some events this year but BBR have my motor and don't seem to want to give it back  Why would I go supercharger, because it is more NA like even with a rotrex, repeatable, reliable throttle control, linear delivery, just a preference, I have lots of turbo cars they all have similar characteristics especially when attached to small engines targeting power, I think the ND will be the superior sprint machine even if it had less power, it's lighter for a start, not heard of engine issues on the ND, transmission on early cars certainly but wasn't aware of anything else, intended to buy an RF this year but as I haven't driven to the office or anywhere else since lockdowns hit a new car seems a bit pointless, particularly as I won't return to office for another 6-12 months, it's all good though, the wait has allowed the new '86 to garner my attention though with a 2.4 it will be rubbish in any future use in competition. |
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Post by wannabe on Jul 11, 2021 17:11:19 GMT
the new '86 to garner my attention though with a 2.4 it will be rubbish in any future use in competition. AE86?? |
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Post by sandys on Jul 11, 2021 19:02:13 GMT
No, the new GR86 I think it's a nice evolution of the GT86, more of the same, more power. |
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Jul 12, 2021 10:09:57 GMT
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Post by howardb66 on Jul 12, 2021 10:09:57 GMT
Hi guys been running my Nc 3.5 for 4 years now mainly hill climbs and sprints with bbr 200 kit plus usual suspension mods Meisters etc but ready for more power just can’t decide which way to go bbr 225 or bbr turbo stage 2 or even supercharger route only probs with FI is going up next class but don’t really mind this 225 bbr throttle bodies keeps me under 2 litre ! Not sure if 225 from 200 will add much apart from fantastic noise ? Thanks I met a guy from Bristol MC who was sprinting at Pembrey 2 NCs- 1 FI & 1std ish. Very impressed with both but the FI was still a work in progress & wasn’t as quick as it should’ve been. Plus it melted its plastic cam cover. |
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Post by howardb66 on Jul 12, 2021 10:12:05 GMT
Hi matey thought u disappeared haven’t seen u around for few years, yeah tend to agree with u as I really want some big horses from FI and can compete in hill climbs although handicapped but so what, even thought engine swap to 2.5 but defeats the object really Drove Roddinsons nd with manifold and ap brakes wow what car and did it stop but skyactive engine is relatively soft not tuff as mc duratec ! Been thinking of caterham but I drive some long distances off the Yorkshire harewood hill climb soon not ideal in kit car defo don’t want trailer ! I think added 25 hp and 8 pounds torque hardly notice ? Have u driven 225 Bbr yet ? Probably ok if coming from 180 hp ? Why would u go supercharger not turbo ? Questions Questions Cheers Shaun Yup its been a while, was due to return when Corona hit and then didn't see the point, had hoped to get some events this year but BBR have my motor and don't seem to want to give it back Why would I go supercharger, because it is more NA like even with a rotrex, repeatable, reliable throttle control, linear delivery, just a preference, I have lots of turbo cars they all have similar characteristics especially when attached to small engines targeting power, I think the ND will be the superior sprint machine even if it had less power, it's lighter for a start, not heard of engine issues on the ND, transmission on early cars certainly but wasn't aware of anything else, intended to buy an RF this year but as I haven't driven to the office or anywhere else since lockdowns hit a new car seems a bit pointless, particularly as I won't return to office for another 6-12 months, it's all good though, the wait has allowed the new '86 to garner my attention though with a 2.4 it will be rubbish in any future use in competition. Hello Sandy, alright? If you want me to go & bang on BBR’s door, I’m only a few miles away. |
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Jul 12, 2021 10:18:51 GMT
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Post by howardb66 on Jul 12, 2021 10:18:51 GMT
If you’re going to go FI, be a little wary of Rotrex. If they do require maintenance, it can be a little tricky with factory support. I’ve helped someone fit 2 in the last 18 months. The drive oil is eye wateringly expensive.
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Post by sandys on Jul 23, 2021 15:01:17 GMT
Hi guys been running my Nc 3.5 for 4 years now mainly hill climbs and sprints with bbr 200 kit plus usual suspension mods Meisters etc but ready for more power just can’t decide which way to go bbr 225 or bbr turbo stage 2 or even supercharger route only probs with FI is going up next class but don’t really mind this 225 bbr throttle bodies keeps me under 2 litre ! Not sure if 225 from 200 will add much apart from fantastic noise ? Thanks I met a guy from Bristol MC who was sprinting at Pembrey 2 NCs- 1 FI & 1std ish. Very impressed with both but the FI was still a work in progress & wasn’t as quick as it should’ve been. Plus it melted its plastic cam cover. Yep, that's Pekka, he's struggling with the sorts of things BBR also struggled with when originally turboing back in the day, manifolds etc, still fair play to him, he's knocking up all the stuff and doing all the mapping etc his self, wish I had half a clue and his level of motivation rather than being the lazy pay a guy type When he get's it right though it is going to be a beast and he is a pretty tidy driver by all accounts so he's going to be trouble for us all |
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Post by sandys on Jul 23, 2021 15:03:34 GMT
Yup its been a while, was due to return when Corona hit and then didn't see the point, had hoped to get some events this year but BBR have my motor and don't seem to want to give it back Hello Sandy, alright? If you want me to go & bang on BBR’s door, I’m only a few miles away. Cheers Howard, no need, they called me today, sounds like it is getting there, I best get on an sort out the bits for the rest of the build. |
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Post by sandys on Jul 23, 2021 15:12:38 GMT
If you’re going to go FI, be a little wary of Rotrex. If they do require maintenance, it can be a little tricky with factory support. I’ve helped someone fit 2 in the last 18 months. The drive oil is eye wateringly expensive. Every route has its issues to be honest, once its not OE it is generally not as reliable, what I like about the SC beyond driving characteristics is the positioning makes it a bit easier to manage some of the heat which can be a problem even on a stock car, I've manage to loose the brakes on a solo demo day (lots of low speed high rpm donuts around cones etc ) because without the heatshield due to 4-1 mani it gets toasty, having a turbo right there is not going to help even with some shielding. |
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