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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 3, 2016 10:54:17 GMT
The more I look at the mk1 the more I want one. Rust issues aside the mk2 appealed to me in looks both outside and inside and still do from the factory, but certain bodykits really bring it back up to date.
Would it be worth going to the effort of getting any old Mk1 and putting my 2.5 vvt engine and running gear into it or would the gains be minimal over a decent mk1 1.8?
Are things like my coilovers transferrable?
I'm more thinking out loud at the mo, I do like my 2.5 but it is a little tatty cosmetically, its wether I sort this one out or make the leap beforehand. |
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Post by bombercounty5 on Aug 3, 2016 11:17:12 GMT
Am i right in thinking Mk1/Mk2 topmounts are different?
I don't think it would be worth the hassle putting the vvt running gear into a Mk1. A good mk1 1.8 with the 4.3 torsen will be more than lively.
I recently bought a MK2 2 1.8 sport to sell on, had a good 220 mile drive home and I did enjoy it, the steering didn't quite feel the same as my NA though, I don't know if that's down to different tyre choice/wheel size but it wasn't a million miles away from a Mk1. Obviously the Mk1 will always be a more raw drive but depends on what you want from the car. If you prefer the looks of the Mk2 then i'd probably suggest sticking with that. You will pay more money for a nice rust free mk1.
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Post by jackyboy on Aug 3, 2016 18:58:03 GMT
i went from mk2 to mk1. the mk2 was more refined and modern ., steering a little lighter, felt bigger inside. it felt a bit heavier to drive but it was still really good to drive.
Was a dream come true when i got the mk1. everything just felt better. nice and retro inside. steering felt more mechanical, car felt faster. more agile. just more involving in every way!
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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 4, 2016 7:42:03 GMT
I drove a mk1 for the first time last night, a eunos 1.6 with the really slow engine.
It was very slow compared to my 2.5 1.8vvt, but it felt much lighter. I didn't like the dash at all but the mk2 fits so I'm not bothered.
When you get into the realms of forced induction, turbo or sc, is it an advantage to have the vvt?
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Post by joeytalent on Aug 4, 2016 8:56:59 GMT
Am i right in thinking Mk1/Mk2 topmounts are different? They are different - you have to use Mk2 topmounts for Mk2 suspension, and Mk1 topmounts for Mk1 suspension, but Mk2 topmounts + suspension will fit into a Mk1. |
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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 4, 2016 9:19:16 GMT
Thinking about it a different way, is it possible for a MK1 bonnet, bumper, wings and headlights to fit a mk2? Maybe that's the best of both worlds option!
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Post by josho on Aug 4, 2016 10:34:50 GMT
Is the mk2 rusty as anything? If yes, do a reshell but be aware youll need the full vvt loom and ecu otherwise it wont work properly.
If no then I guess sell the vvt and get a pre 93 mk1 1.6.
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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 4, 2016 11:07:08 GMT
My Mk2 is fine, known hidden problems aside, its visibly rust free, I just fancied the look of the mk1 more.
I'll stick with what I have for now I think, focus my spend and attention on making it do things better rather than look like something else.
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Post by Horney on Aug 4, 2016 14:17:23 GMT
When you get into the realms of forced induction, turbo or sc, is it an advantage to have the vvt? No it's a disadvantage, they banana their rods at fairly low torque outputs with boost. Best engines for boost are the MK1 and early MK2 lumps. |
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Post by FFS Corders on Aug 4, 2016 16:51:18 GMT
It is a fair amount of faff to put a vvt engine into a mk1....i did an early mk2 1.8 into my mk1 1.8 and it was fairly straightforward. Just a little wiring up of the VICS actuator. But may as well stick with the mk1 engine if it isnt broken
For me i like the idea of Mk1 shell then put a mk2 interior and early mk2 1.8 engine in it...get best of both worlds then.
Mk2 top mounts fit a mk1 and also allow more travel. The opposite is not possible though - mk1 top mounts do not fit mk2 due to the size of the hole.
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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 5, 2016 6:58:54 GMT
When you get into the realms of forced induction, turbo or sc, is it an advantage to have the vvt? No it's a disadvantage, they banana their rods at fairly low torque outputs with boost. Best engines for boost are the MK1 and early MK2 lumps. Oh really!?!? That's news, I had no idea. If the VVT really is an unsuitable block then that's scuppered my plans completely!
Looks like I need to get this autosolo done and then think about changing the car. 
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Post by Horney on Aug 5, 2016 7:17:55 GMT
No it's a disadvantage, they banana their rods at fairly low torque outputs with boost. Best engines for boost are the MK1 and early MK2 lumps. Oh really!?!? That's news, I had no idea. If the VVT really is an unsuitable block then that's scuppered my plans completely!
Looks like I need to get this autosolo done and then think about changing the car.
It just means if you go boost you need to factor in the costs of forged rods and the fitting thereof. |
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Post by josho on Aug 5, 2016 7:45:01 GMT
Oh really!?!? That's news, I had no idea. If the VVT really is an unsuitable block then that's scuppered my plans completely!
Looks like I need to get this autosolo done and then think about changing the car.
It just means if you go boost you need to factor in the costs of forged rods and the fitting thereof. Or maybe swap with someone that wants a VVT block and has a good mk1 bottom end theyd consider swapping  |
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Post by BikeTuna on Aug 5, 2016 9:28:06 GMT
I think this is the final nail for the mk2.5 for me tbh, I didn't know about the front rails problem until after I bought it (externally good on mine but I just don't know), and its also put me out more than you'd imagine that I can't tow with it...
I'll be taking some nice pics of it later and seeing if theres any swaps around.
Any takers here?
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Post by randomfactor on Aug 5, 2016 9:28:45 GMT
The vvt is the best/strongest block for fi, just needs forged rods. Mk2.5 block with a mk2 non vvt head and you're on to a winner.
Re the mk1/2 issue, I find them remarkably different for cars that are so similar. After driving my mk1 1.6 and my mates mk2.5 back to back on a track day I sold the mk1 and got a mk2. I preferred the extra power, lsd and slightly more modern feel and didn't feel it was worth investing the time and money in the mk1. I do miss the pop ups though...
Driving my mk2 and his own mk1 (1.8) my brother felt mine was faster and would be nicer as a daily. Swapping places I really enjoyed being back in a mk1 too, they really do feel more raw. But I don't want to swap...
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