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Post by joeytalent on Feb 26, 2016 0:39:32 GMT
There were some great ITB builds on Nutz, let's get some pictures of some of the awesome DIY and off the shelf stuff out there!
This might purely be for inspiration for me to pull my finger out when I'm back in April. I have a spare engine to go in, along with some HKS cams and the supporting head work and skim.
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Feb 26, 2016 13:07:04 GMT
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Post by driftmonkey on Feb 26, 2016 13:07:04 GMT
I've been collecting parts for my build based on a couple I saw on 'that other forum' I will do a build thread when I finally get the car back on the road. The one area I feel will be a challenge is the throttle cable connection.
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Feb 26, 2016 18:19:02 GMT
Post by tangoman on Feb 26, 2016 18:19:02 GMT
The throttle cable was actually quite easy to sort out!
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Feb 26, 2016 23:29:46 GMT
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Feb 26, 2016 23:29:46 GMT
I just bought a Bogg Brothers manifold and some GSXR1000 tbs, so may be heading back to TBs on my car
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Feb 28, 2016 19:56:30 GMT
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Post by tsp on Feb 28, 2016 19:56:30 GMT
I really want to go down this route. Is there a definitive list of what's needed for a build? I work with motorbikes so that part is easy. Not sure on the rest though
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Feb 29, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Feb 29, 2016 14:26:44 GMT
I really want to go down this route. Is there a definitive list of what's needed for a build? I work with motorbikes so that part is easy. Not sure on the rest though There's a few different options, but I'll list what you need for the DIY route (or rather, what I needed ): Intake Manifold There's a few options here (more options for the 1.8 over the 1.6 because of how the injectors mount) but I went with a cut down inlet manifold from my MX5, made up some flanges and got them welded on: Throttle BodiesIdeally you want some throttle bodies that match the spacing of the inlet ports and some way of dealing with the transition from an oval port to a circular throttle body. I used Triumph TT600 ones, along with the rubber boots from the bike (this was before the flanges were welded): You can see the boots also have a convenient vac port coming out of them. You'll need something like this for plumbing in your MAP Sensor for your engine management. You can also see the vTPS on the end of the throttle bodies - you will probably need some kind of vTPS sensor, the ones on most bikes should work just fine. IAT SensorFairly straight forward - you'll need something to read the air temperature. There's a bunch of generic GM parts on eBay for less than a tenner. Engine ManagementThis is the other main part. You've got a ton of options, and I'm not going to list them all here. I bought a Megasquirt 2 kit from DIYAutotune (https://www.diyautotune.com/product/megasquirt-ii-programmable-efi-system-pcb3-0-kit-w-black-case/) and spent a week soldering it all together. Another week of troubleshooting, and I had the car up and running. If you're not confident with the electronics side of things, you can get an assembled version - however you're probably going to have to make up a wiring loom at some point to include the additional IAT sensor. Wideband (optional, but not really optional).Technically you don't *need* a wideband, but you're basically making your life so much harder if you don't. Your narrowband on the car will tell you if the engine is rich or lean, but won't tell you by how much. A wideband gives you an accurate AFR reading, and feeds straight into the ECU, allowing you to do some basic auto tuning to at least dial in your fuel tables. I can write more about the electronics/tuning side of it if you're interested; it'll all be Megasquirt based though.
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Feb 29, 2016 14:27:49 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Feb 29, 2016 14:27:49 GMT
Oh, and to prove they are actually on my car (I've been running them for about 3 years now):
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Feb 29, 2016 22:52:07 GMT
Post by Horney on Feb 29, 2016 22:52:07 GMT
Skuzzle is doing a fair few Jenvey ITB builds these days. Seems very popular despite the cost.
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Post by skuzzle on Mar 1, 2016 11:22:29 GMT
That's because it's awesome.. Honestly though it's the Motorsport guys doing the na tuning so they can stay in class but still have more power.
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Mar 1, 2016 14:03:02 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Mar 1, 2016 14:03:02 GMT
That's because it's awesome.. Honestly though it's the Motorsport guys doing the na tuning so they can stay in class but still have more power. The Jenvey kits look awesome. Do they come with injectors and all the required sensors?
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Mar 1, 2016 14:07:01 GMT
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Post by tsp on Mar 1, 2016 14:07:01 GMT
Thanks Joeytalent. Great post. I'm guessing the size of the bike TBs will depend on the state of tune for the rest of the engine. The overall resulting power will also depend on what bike they come from I guess. Although a lot of the bike TBs are made by either Mikuni or Keihin so similar results should be able to be achieved with different models. I've wanted to run them since a mate had some Jenveys on his RS1800 about 10 years ago. Nothing beats the noise
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Mar 1, 2016 17:23:05 GMT
Post by tangoman on Mar 1, 2016 17:23:05 GMT
I'm using Daytona 600 bodies on my build they have a bore of 42mm which is the same as the recommended Jenvey bodies!
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Mar 1, 2016 18:17:42 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Mar 1, 2016 18:17:42 GMT
I'm using Daytona 600 bodies on my build they have a bore of 42mm which is the same as the recommended Jenvey bodies! Ah, a list of measurements for known ITBs might be useful for reference. The Triumph TT600 have an intake size of 45mm, and an outlet size of 37mm. The biggest appeal for the TT600 throttle bodies for me was the rubber boots they're mounted on in the bike. You basically have to solve the problem of a circle to oval port at some point if you're going to cut down your inlet manifold. This is looking down the rubber boot from the TT600 into the MX5 inlet manifold: I originally just used silicone pipe, but seemed to be endlessly tracking down air leaks. As soon as I made up the flanges and got them welded on, and used the rubber boots from the bike, air leaks were never a problem again. I'm happy to share the CAD files I made for the TT600 flanges. I just machined them on a shonky looking mill my landlord owned in the end, but I think you could easily make them with just a pillar drill, hacksaw and some files.
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Mar 1, 2016 18:55:42 GMT
Post by tangoman on Mar 1, 2016 18:55:42 GMT
What engine have you got there?
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Mar 1, 2016 19:16:18 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Mar 1, 2016 19:16:18 GMT
I've got a 1.6 as well.
I chucked in a set of 1.8 injectors whilst I was at it.
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