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Post by minty on Aug 27, 2017 21:18:28 GMT
They are want, and always have been. The people that rate them are clueless. Yep, had a set of TR1s and they lasted five minutes, no better grip than the Rainsports just less milage Who said they were better than rainsports? |
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Post by nickd on Aug 31, 2017 8:28:21 GMT
They were cheap, they were never fine. The internet loves cheap. Excusing the performance of sommmething because it was cheap might be OK for binoculars but not something you would say about a parachute. My objection to this tyre comes from the seemingly countless number of threads from people saying "they are OK because they are cheap" but even more so from the people who militantly berate people for "not fitting the amazing T1R" then go on to say they have used them exclusively for the last 10 years and are now on their second set in 25,000 miles and they have a wealth of experience because "they drive really hard". They have always been a medioca tyre, and its wooly imprecise handling and very on off wet grip is very much capable of finding a ditch. No, it is not going to kill you just be use you looked at it, but all the used to be good, their made in a different factory, we all used to have them, is like saying we all used to have Nits, it didn't make it good, just popular.  |
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Post by trackrob on Aug 31, 2017 9:28:59 GMT
Nick
how would you compare the NS2Rs, DMack and Federals for track use?
I'm on NS2Rs from you now, and they're great. Progressive, predictable, hard wearing. Good in the wet too.
I'd be fine using them again, although it's nice to experiment a little. Maybe not as far as TR1s though....
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Post by NurseHolliday on Aug 31, 2017 10:04:11 GMT
What I've never been able to comprehend about other people thinking the T1R is fine, is that soft sidewall. There's a delay between turning the wheel and the car turning. IN WHAT WORLD IS THAT FINE?
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Post by minty on Aug 31, 2017 10:20:11 GMT
They were cheap, they were never fine. The internet loves cheap. Excusing the performance of sommmething because it was cheap might be OK for binoculars but not something you would say about a parachute. My objection to this tyre comes from the seemingly countless number of threads from people saying "they are OK because they are cheap" but even more so from the people who militantly berate people for "not fitting the amazing T1R" then go on to say they have used them exclusively for the last 10 years and are now on their second set in 25,000 miles and they have a wealth of experience because "they drive really hard". They have always been a medioca tyre, and its wooly imprecise handling and very on off wet grip is very much capable of finding a ditch. No, it is not going to kill you just be use you looked at it, but all the used to be good, their made in a different factory, we all used to have them, is like saying we all used to have Nits, it didn't make it good, just popular. Point well made Nick 🙂 I disagree about the tyres can't be ok because they're cheap thing though. If money is tight and you need to pass the mot, or you just need to commute A to B etc. I've been there, and swapped over as soon as I could. sometimes needs must and not everyone is a racing driver. If however, he is a racing driver....I agree he's in trouble 😄 Hehe |
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Post by Rickster on Aug 31, 2017 11:42:07 GMT
Yep, had a set of TR1s and they lasted five minutes, no better grip than the Rainsports just less milage Who said they were better than rainsports? I dont think T1Rs are any worse than rainsports in the dry, in fact i think slightly better IMO but only because at an autosolo they are less noisy and dont scrub up all to prarrie canoe. BUT they are not good in the wet - which can be fun in a standard mx5 in a safe place - but on a public road, its just dangerous unless you are acutely aware of their limitations. List 1a I will be running Michelins from now on Tyres = you get what you pay for, because we have rwd sports cars we would like the best but even though we know that tyres are very important etc etc many of us are on tight budgets, if this was not the case then all those cheap chinese ditch finders would not sell and yet they do - T1Rs are at least better than that. BTW I have 2 brand new Firestone TZ300 and 2 almost new Bridgestone Turanzas that came with some wheels I bought - 2 good manufacturers but anyone know what these tyres are like? (spares or fleabay!) |
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Post by scottydugg on Aug 31, 2017 12:30:22 GMT
Split opinions on T1-R's then, should have done my homework better at the time. I'll just have to burn through them as soon as possible, not being good in the wet may be a problem in Glasgow, however the car being on the road is so far off that'll be a worry for another day. Everything was going so well  Whats thoughts on Vredstein rubber? They're on the 14's, could be used as winter rubber. |
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Post by minty on Aug 31, 2017 15:32:09 GMT
Split opinions on T1-R's then, should have done my homework better at the time. I'll just have to burn through them as soon as possible, not being good in the wet may be a problem in Glasgow, however the car being on the road is so far off that'll be a worry for another day. Everything was going so well Whats thoughts on Vredstein rubber? They're on the 14's, could be used as winter rubber. Yeah Nicks knows his stuff and I cant comment as I never drove my last one in the wet with T1-Rs (well I did, but only on my way to work, so that doesn't count), so best be careful by the sounds of it and for trackdays I think I had some kinda Conway rally semi slick things.
I currently have Rainsports on my winter tyres and a used set of NS2Rs on my summer wheels, which seem ok tbh and cheap I believe. Not sure what they're like in the wet, but Jackyboy says good things.
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Post by nickd on Aug 31, 2017 16:30:25 GMT
Nick how would you compare the NS2Rs, DMack and Federals for track use? I'm on NS2Rs from you now, and they're great. Progressive, predictable, hard wearing. Good in the wet too. I'd be fine using them again, although it's nice to experiment a little. Maybe not as far as TR1s though.... I posted this up because if I just wrote what my notes say, I would be accused of being partisan. Personally the Dmack will out perform both of the other tyres. |
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Post by r6demon on Jun 26, 2018 20:06:06 GMT
I wish I had found this topic before fitting a set of Toyo proxies to the front of mine!!
Mind you they can’t be any worse than the mismatched part worms Chinese Tyres the PO had fitted!!
I’m hoping that they handle ok!
Btw
Where are people buying Rainsport3s for £30?? I can’t find them for less than £70 ea?
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Post by wannabe on Jun 26, 2018 22:18:44 GMT
You have maybe four months to wear them out and fit something really good before autumn rain comes  |
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Post by r6demon on Jun 27, 2018 7:21:44 GMT
You have maybe four months to wear them out and fit something really good before autumn rain comes WOW, that bad??? Would you fit them to the from or the rear, I currently have a pair of ArrowSpeed N1000 205 / 45Z R16 on the rear and mounted the Toyo's on the front |
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Post by howardb66 on Jun 27, 2018 12:03:52 GMT
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Post by daddyboneses on Jun 27, 2018 12:41:40 GMT
Just to chime in here - always mount the tires with the best tread/grip on the rear - I have spun my MX-5 several times due to insufficient grip at the rear. With the balanced handling in these cars, you have to very aware of how well the rear grips. Most cars understeer and will slide at the front first, but not these little gems |
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Post by wannabe on Jun 27, 2018 13:45:41 GMT
Full disclosure - I've not driven on the T1-R but I did have T1-S in 55 profile on a previous car. They were just sooooo bad when it was anything but dry - the grip was all there or not there at all, they were very on/off. It meant it was hard to know whether it was going to grip or let you understeer into a ditch! And when it was dry, they rolllllled onto the sidewall on turn it, meaning it felt like you were understeering. They did grip once you were past that point, but they were not at all confidence inspiring. The T1-R might be better in lower profiles but I'm not sure... lol IIRC the Rainsport are also accused of having soft sidewalls! I'm sure that you will be fine if you drive sensibly when conditions are less grippy, but for me, it's the ability to stop when the unexpected happens that means I prefer to splash out on the so-called 'premium'  brands that come out at or near the top of the tests, like the evo magazine tests. In that size it looks like you can get Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric 2, Michelin Pilot Sport 3, Continental PremiumContact 6, and Continental SportContact 2 - they're all around the £70-80 (+ fitting) mark each, granted, but they are good (but it looks like the Toyos are about £67 each with fitting anyway, so you'll likely only be paying an extra £80 or so for a set of four + fitting! Which isn't a small amount, I know, but is small if you assume they will last for a year!) www.mytyres.co.uk/cgi-bin/rshop.pl?dsco=110&sowigan=So&Breite=205&Quer=45&Felge=16&Speed=&Load=&kategorie=1&Marke=&tyre_for=&x_tyre_for=&m_s=3&suchen=Search for tyres&Ang_pro_Seite=10&rsmFahrzeugart=ALL&filter_preis_bis=&filter_preis_von=&homologation=&weiter=0 www.blackcircles.com/order/tyres/search?width=205&profile=45&rim=16 FWIW I would only buy Continental, Michelin or Goodyear - I'm not a brand snob, I just want to make sure I'm buying the best, seeing as they're the only thing stopping me from falling off the road! |
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brands that come out at or near the top of the tests, like the evo magazine tests.
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