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Post by V6 on Jan 22, 2020 16:50:48 GMT
300bhp home built MX5 v mega money GT3.
Is it fair to compare standard v modified?
Is it fair to compare low budget and DIY MX5 with a professional Motorsport team with millions - who modify a base 911 into a GT3 at the factory? I'd say yes it is. If Porsche can't make a GT3 significantly faster with that budget and team, they need to try harder IMHO. Drop some lard and waste less on flash interiors and nonsense. Unless of course the GT3 driver wasn't even trying and failed to notice two JDM's in his rear view mirror  |
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Post by zoona on Jan 23, 2020 11:57:34 GMT
300bhp home built MX5 v mega money GT3.
Is it fair to compare standard v modified?
Is it fair to compare low budget and DIY MX5 with a professional Motorsport team with millions - who modify a base 911 into a GT3 at the factory? I'd say yes it is. If Porsche can't make a GT3 significantly faster with that budget and team, they need to try harder IMHO. Drop some lard and waste less on flash interiors and nonsense. Unless of course the GT3 driver wasn't even trying and failed to notice two JDM's in his rear view mirror Fair? Maybe, maybe not... Funny? Canoe yeah! |
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Post by V6 on Jan 23, 2020 12:36:53 GMT
To be fair I presume the GT3 driver isn't pushing at 10/10ths. I'd be more than a little scared at those speeds haha. Although I am still impressed with the little JDM's keeping pace. Well played all round.
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Would I swap mine for a shiny modern GT3 RS? Hell yeah bitches!  |
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Post by noobie on Jan 23, 2020 14:06:47 GMT
This lap, including some of the waiting they did was a 8:48ishBTG.
A well driven porker GT3 will do a comfortable sub 7:30 btg with a reasonable driver.
These same guys will push a stock powered NA6 round the nurburgring in 8min30 ish BTG...
Will be interesting to see what the V6 MX5 will do once they get everything to work and he does a clean lap.
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Post by V6 on Jan 23, 2020 14:36:33 GMT
Not sure you can take just the time due to the slower start etc, as they let the GT3 take the lead. I'd be happy enough comparing one against the other at that moment in time. I'm sure in the right hands the GT3 should be quicker. But on this occasion we don't need to theorise as we can just enjoy their playing.
I know the Greek dude is still developing what works best: tyres, settings etc. Also he is still getting used to it.
The S2000 driver posted this... "The s2000 is my, I didn’t remember that’s lap! Was the day i lost my rear license plate! My best lap isn’t the one Kevin post, if you look for s2000 vs e46 m3 you will find my best 7:37 still not the limit of the car, July 2019 a valve failed and I had to rebuild the engine I’m working on it(complete new spec), the car running already I just have to finish some small stuff and should be ready! The smokes is because is a bit rich and not all the times the flames going to the end of the exhaust but only the smokes coming out!"
Would both the JDMs be quicker with the perfect driver and set up? I am sure they would be. All we can do for now is compare what we can see on that day in those conditions. Respect to all drivers for a fun hoon  |
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Post by V6 on Jan 23, 2020 15:32:22 GMT
BTW, I love old school Porsches like the 964 Cup or 993 RS/GT2 / RUF. Anyone seen this on PH? Absolute droooooool fest...   Absolute car porn! Makes me feel like I am running around in a total shed! / Back to reality. Meh. |
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Post by niklas on Jan 24, 2020 5:35:40 GMT
The gt3 rs 991.2 is a beast. The only off the shelf car I can think of that has been faster on track days I've been to is the Ferrari 488 pista.
That said, one lap heroes have a lot of laps on the nordschleife under their belt, they should be able to challenge most people and cars there.
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Post by V6 on Jan 24, 2020 8:14:46 GMT
Above a certain level I suspect it's more to do with balls and talent. Respect to anyone who can take cars to their limits and not stuff them up on track. With those power to weights I'd be a tad concerned!
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Post by V6 on Jan 24, 2020 10:14:16 GMT
Check this out... some more retro porsche love... www.classicdriver.com/en/car/porsche/911-964-cup/1992/558143I'd fancy one of those in bright blue or white. Then bung another hundred k at it to make it RHD (by someone like RUF) and make the engine 350bhp NA by someone like ninemeister. Or even add a supercharger for +400. That's about all I'd ever want / could handle anyway. More linear and controllable than the turbo boost of a GT2 etc. Fast, retro, cool AF. Minor detail on the budget, but hey. That's what the lottery is for. |
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Post by jon on Jan 24, 2020 10:42:33 GMT
All of this talk of 911s... I'm seriously tempted to get an early 996 - I reckon the market is about bottoming out value wise on the 'unloved' 911 - you can get them for sub 10K now if you are lucky. The early ones don't seem to suffer from a lot of the issues that the later ones do (3.4s are less prone to IMS issues, bore scoring etc). The maintenance costs would be higher but I'd be doing most of it myself. I don't really do trackdays anymore, and most of my driving is not ideal for a 5 (motorways etc), so it would be a bit more suitable to the task... It'd feel slow though compared, even the 996TT would be down power to weight wise, but a lot more civilised... Guess I need a bigger garage and bank balance, just have both!  |
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Post by zoona on Jan 24, 2020 10:45:58 GMT
All of this talk of 911s... I'm seriously tempted to get an early 996 - I reckon the market is about bottoming out value wise on the 'unloved' 911 - you can get them for sub 10K now if you are lucky. The early ones don't seem to suffer from a lot of the issues that the later ones do (3.4s are less prone to IMS issues, bore scoring etc). The maintenance costs would be higher but I'd be doing most of it myself. I don't really do trackdays anymore, and most of my driving is not ideal for a 5 (motorways etc), so it would be a bit more suitable to the task... It'd feel slow though compared, even the 996TT would be down power to weight wise, but a lot more civilised... Guess I need a bigger garage and bank balance, just have both! The 996 gets a lot of prarrie canoe, but they are a good looking car and as you say, relatively cheap for what you can get (and can modify it to). If I were allowed, it would be something I would look at... |
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Post by jon on Jan 24, 2020 10:52:21 GMT
I think they have grown into their looks a bit - at the time they got a lot of stick due to the shared headlights with the 986 boxster, but there's very few of those left around now... By today's standards they aren't particularly quick - the 3.4s are around 300bhp so slower than most of today's warm hatches, but make a nice noise and are almost practical.. I have a couple of friends who have early 996 projects so access to quite a bit of knowledge on them as well... The petrolhead in me would want the turbo though.... |
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Post by V6 on Jan 24, 2020 11:05:08 GMT
There is something to be said for being comfortable and insulated from the world. A C2 996 would be a decent place to sit. Although I do tend to keep gravitating towards the daft end of the spectrum. For my budget, I play with fives. But if I had a big chunk more it would be spent on a top end carbon caterham. If unlimited, it would likely mix lightweight basics with true classic heritage, such as in a highly modded 964 or 993 RS / Cup as above. So even with £300k to play with I'd still be in something uncomfortable and loud! I'd just need a cool daily as well. Maybe a mint Corrado Storm, or a Capri 3.0 or something. At or beyond a GT3 level... I don't think sheer speed and numbers are that important. They are all damn fast. It's more about smiles and developing the skills to use them mainly.
My lottery win would go here...
All carbon chassis and body RUF SCR, with the GT3's 500bhp NA engine for the sound track:
Just not in green or yellow - yuk!
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Post by zoona on Jan 24, 2020 11:16:56 GMT
I think they have grown into their looks a bit - at the time they got a lot of stick due to the shared headlights with the 986 boxster, but there's very few of those left around now... By today's standards they aren't particularly quick - the 3.4s are around 300bhp so slower than most of today's warm hatches, but make a nice noise and are almost practical.. I have a couple of friends who have early 996 projects so access to quite a bit of knowledge on them as well... The petrolhead in me would want the turbo though.... I had a 986 so have a soft spot for the looks. But the 996 is just a very pretty car with clean lines. You can make them quick, but i imagine the porsche tax is even more than the JDM tax... There is something to be said for being comfortable and insulated from the world. A C2 996 would be a decent place to sit. Although I do tend to keep gravitating towards the daft end of the spectrum. For my budget, I play with fives. But if I had a big chunk more it would be spent on a top end carbon caterham. If unlimited, it would likely mix lightweight basics with true classic heritage, such as in a highly modded 964 or 993 RS / Cup as above. So even with £300k to play with I'd still be in something uncomfortable and loud! I'd just need a cool daily as well. Maybe a mint Corrado Storm, or a Capri 3.0 or something. At or beyond a GT3 level... I don't think sheer speed and numbers are that important. They are all damn fast. It's more about smiles and developing the skills to use them mainly. Even if i had all the money in the world, I am not sure i could justify that much money on crazy cars. I love cars... but x100s thousands on something to thrash around a circuit still seems offensive. I like the cut of your jib on the Corrado and Capri... but caterham is the most fun car i have even driven. I originally went for a 5 because i needed something i could use all the time as well (and i was poor) - now a caterham would be perfect extra car just for the track, but i have too much time and money sunk into the 5 to swap! |
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Post by V6 on Jan 24, 2020 11:21:07 GMT
You are right. This is the real trouble isn't it... The dream cars cost soooo much money. Then you can't use them in anger as intended on track. Yet you couldn't begin to use their potential on the road. Really cars like the SCR above turn into Art / Porn to polish and drool over. The sweet spot in being loaded is likely about £40-50k max for a spare toy, ie Catarham 420R to 620R level. Still ok to thrash on a track. Yet likely life changingly awesome.
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