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Post by thruxton on Jun 13, 2019 11:44:27 GMT
Hello all.
So I've had my NC 2.0 Sport for a couple of weeks now and I love it.
Coming to it from my much loved NB 1.8.
I have to say that for me the difference in the cars is astounding.
The NC is massively better in standard form compared to the NB.
Yesterday I completed a great dry/wet track day at Cadwell Park, terrific circuit.
I was there with my mate in his NC Sport 2.0 Mazdaspeed. Now his car has had the Paul Roddison treatment .... wow!
Meister R suspension, Nankang tyres, Roddison brake pads, which I am a fan of, and a full Roddison "geo" track day set up.
The grip on his car is endless.
Now here is my question.
Before I plough into developing my NC as above plus, I hope, the new G19 turbo.
Has anyone here gone from NC to ND?
If so, is that also a massive leap forward as I feel the NC is from the NB, and if so how?
ND's are now quite affordable.
Thanks for any feed back.
Regards.
Rich.
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NC to ND?
Jun 13, 2019 14:21:17 GMT
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Post by sandys on Jun 13, 2019 14:21:17 GMT
Pretty convinced it's a good chunk better than an NC, biggest problem for me is fitting in one with a helmet due to having an odd body shape so despite not being very tall I have long torso, so have similar issues to tall people.
The concern would be the drivetrain on early cars, racers like Rodders has issues, it would be worth speaking to him about it.
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Post by howardb66 on Jun 13, 2019 15:06:40 GMT
The later ND has a significant hike in power compared to the early cars. I’ve noticed that MX5s of all models tend to have that on the later years of production.
edit- have you seen the new BBR tweaks to the ND? They take it up to 220hp & it’s still normally aspirated. Really good stuff.
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Post by sandys on Jun 13, 2019 18:12:13 GMT
its also lighter and smaller than an NC, all good things when it comes to performance, if I fitted better I would consider an RF as my daily.
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Post by thruxton on Jun 13, 2019 19:51:57 GMT
Ok, thanks for that.
I did sit in an ND about a year ago, in a show room, where they just won't leave you alone.
And I thought that I didn't fit very well. Another look is needed there I feel.
So I've now done some reading and I'm not sure that it's the move I won't .
Maybe developing my NC is the better option.
I don't mind the "bigger" car, in fact I rather like it.
Driving it home some 225 miles from the track day was so much easier, quieter and nicer than my NB.
Maybe the "bigger" there for me is better.
I've bagged a great deal on my True Red 2.0 Sport so maybe the money is well spent on developing it some.
I'll need to see just what G19 have on offer for the upcoming turbo kit.
The other options out there for forced induction are crazy expensive right now.
So that limits it to the 220 Bhp N.A. Skuzzle option, which is fine if it must be that.
Regards.
Rich.
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Post by sandys on Jun 13, 2019 21:00:18 GMT
Unless you have a basic early 5spd non sport NC 2.0 you'd need ~5-10% more power in your NC to equal and NDs power to weight.
Don't get me wrong my NC is awesome but I am of the opinion each evolution of the 5 has always got better.
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NC to ND?
Jun 14, 2019 7:40:25 GMT
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Post by sandys on Jun 14, 2019 7:40:25 GMT
Pound per Bhp the forced induction and NA options are roughly similar to a point on NC, obviously just more pounds for boost but will be a much better car for it, so if you have the budget skip the disappointing NA tuning, the jump is never enough.
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Post by scottydugg on Jun 14, 2019 8:20:27 GMT
You've got the chassis mods already on the NC, add some power and you'll have a very capable car. New lightweight wheels if you've not got any already. Would you be able to mod the ND as much to get what you want? I think the NC is just at the tipping point of new parts being developed, maybe ask to be a g19 development car  |
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Post by thruxton on Jun 14, 2019 8:21:26 GMT
Disappointing NA tuning!
You are kidding me right?
I've been track day competing at the Nurburgring since 1992.
And I'm telling you this is fast! Clucking bell man do you really think I would need to be faster?
PLEASE WATCH THIS .......
Earlier this week, Serwanski uploaded a video of himself doing a track day with his NC-generation Mazda MX-5 at the Nurburgring this past weekend. According to the clip's description, the car features coilover suspension, bigger brakes, track-ready tires, a larger radiator, an ECU remap, a close-ratio gearbox, and some carbon-fiber seats. It only makes about 30 horsepower more than stock, but weighs about 2400 pounds—driver included. Seems like a pretty solid power-to-weight ratio to us.
Regards.
Rich.
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Post by atlex on Jun 14, 2019 9:38:53 GMT
Disappointing NA tuning! You are kidding me right? I've been track day competing at the Nurburgring since 1992. And I'm telling you this is fast! Clucking bell man do you really think I would need to be faster? PLEASE WATCH THIS ....... Earlier this week, Serwanski uploaded a video of himself doing a track day with his NC-generation Mazda MX-5 at the Nurburgring this past weekend. According to the clip's description, the car features coilover suspension, bigger brakes, track-ready tires, a larger radiator, an ECU remap, a close-ratio gearbox, and some carbon-fiber seats. It only makes about 30 horsepower more than stock, but weighs about 2400 pounds—driver included. Seems like a pretty solid power-to-weight ratio to us. Regards. Rich. That time.. wow. How many times has he driven the ring ? |
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Jun 14, 2019 10:46:17 GMT
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Post by sandys on Jun 14, 2019 10:46:17 GMT
It's no surprise that the Konigsegg test driver knows the ring, can setup a car and is quick, doesn't change the fact that 30hp is not a lot, he would be even faster with boost an extra 100+hp and extra torque up hills is not to be sniffed at.
I have an NC with almost 190hp, it is quick, I really enjoy it but with 280hp it would be more than just quick. I compete with my NC and find that yes even with out any weight reduction and that mediocre level of power I am competitive with many boosted machines but there is no doubt in my mind with boost I will be even faster.
NA wise you could probably tune this engine to the same 280hp level but to do so it'll cost more than twice as much as forced induction.
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Post by sandys on Jun 14, 2019 11:06:22 GMT
You've got the chassis mods already on the NC, add some power and you'll have a very capable car. New lightweight wheels if you've not got any already. Would you be able to mod the ND as much to get what you want? I think the NC is just at the tipping point of new parts being developed, maybe ask to be a g19 development car At the typical level of mods most want to do to the NC, the ND tuning market has already matched it. Of course there are some nuts >500hp NCs out there but that is very much at the fringe and when you chuck that sort of money at any car you get results. |
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Post by thruxton on Jun 14, 2019 13:46:41 GMT
No, the point is ....
He can drive.
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Post by sandys on Jun 14, 2019 14:31:17 GMT
Of that there is no doubt, you don't get gainfully employed as a test driver if you can't, but obviously what he has done to the car helps, upped power, dropped weight, set up the suspension with sticky tyres and good brakes. The weight of him + car is barely more than the billy basic 2.0 NC on its own that I mentioned early, so quite some work has gone on there. For reference has he 10hp less than me but crucially ~200kgs less. So its 166bhp/ton vs 146bhp/ton, his car is going to feel like much more of a performance machine, it cost me a couple grand for mods on my car and it struggles to shift my weight up a hill.  If I doubled my investment on boost, I'd be at ~217bhp/ton and a much happier man An ND with BBRs 220 NA upgrade + your average sized man for example is going to be in the ballpark of 200bhp/ton (with me in it ~185bhp/ton  ) that's quite a little rocket most of the 300bhp hot hatches won't get close to that and that's before weight stripping, so all the toys etc. hence why to answer your original question it can only be ND as good as the NC is  boosting the ND will of course be even better again. |
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Post by thruxton on Jun 14, 2019 15:14:23 GMT
So I've now been to the dealers, Mazda that is.
I don't fit well in the ND RF.
Shame as it's a beautiful car and does everything my Tuscan does, but probably doesn't leak like a sieve!
So it's back to the NC for me.
Not a problem.
I've e-mailed Skuzzle a couple of times over the last 3 weeks but no joy there.
I'm trying to get a dyno print out of their two different NA tuning packages to see what is what and where what happens.
I also asked for details about their 2.0 NC turbo upgrade, again, quiet as a grave yard.
Anyone?
Regards.
Rich.
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boosting the ND will of course be even better again.
le sigh