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Post by Fizbne on Oct 13, 2021 9:04:31 GMT
Ive tried greenstuff, ax6, carbotech xp8, xp10, xp12, hawk dtc60 on my car. The best thing is brake ducts Apart from.cooling the brakes, the xp10 is the best all around brakes followed by the dtc60 (more dust and squealing) and the xp8 (a little less tracky). I actually like the dtc60 the best as they're as good as the xp10 but with a different feel and something like 1/2-2/3 the price. But do go ahead and build front brake ducts for tracked cars. It extends brake lifa a lot and is very much worth it.
Great point, I forgot to mention cooling do you have an example of the setup on your car? I've got a set of these bookmarked in as I always meant to connect up the R-Package lip ducts at some point...  They are a little pricey at £85 for what they are but I don't really have the tooling to make something up either, of course theres the quick and dirty solution of zip ties but I'd be concerned about them popping off with steering movement. Also do they still make the XP10s in red? Pointless but they do look proper you can't argue with that.   Carbotech XP10 MINI Cooper S R56 by batousan, on Flickr Bruh. Is this an actual product that can be bought? pl0x link |
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Post by Zed. on Oct 13, 2021 9:29:53 GMT
Great point, I forgot to mention cooling do you have an example of the setup on your car? I've got a set of these bookmarked in as I always meant to connect up the R-Package lip ducts at some point... They are a little pricey at £85 for what they are but I don't really have the tooling to make something up either, of course theres the quick and dirty solution of zip ties but I'd be concerned about them popping off with steering movement. Also do they still make the XP10s in red? Pointless but they do look proper you can't argue with that. Carbotech XP10 MINI Cooper S R56 by batousan, on Flickr Bruh. Is this an actual product that can be bought? pl0x link  Rich. |
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Post by batou on Oct 13, 2021 10:51:12 GMT
Bruh. Is this an actual product that can be bought? pl0x link It was but the website I bookmarked seems to be gone so I guess they moved on to something else, its not a perfect solution as Zed describes but if you make something similar and adapt/make it so it cools from the disk centre you're golden. |
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Post by binner on Oct 14, 2021 9:32:30 GMT
I like PBS protrack for my nbfl 1.8 svt sport wit big brakes. I have just swapped from Roddisons and find the PBS pads have better modulation and firmer initial bite. I would also recommend ATE type 200 (formerly known as superblue) as it can take the heat of a track day. I haven't ever done a race so cannot comment. I have braided brake hoses which also help feel. If you have a mk1 I would also recommend a brake bias valve as you need to push the bias backward to get more done by the rears. fit it and then read the instructions about altering the bias. I used to have a mk1. Hows the dust on the PBS compared to Rodders? As I never really noticed the dust from the rodders pads I have also failed to notice the difference , sorry :-) |
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Post by binner on Oct 14, 2021 9:34:35 GMT
I like PBS protrack for my nbfl 1.8 svt sport wit big brakes. I have just swapped from Roddisons and find the PBS pads have better modulation and firmer initial bite. I would also recommend ATE type 200 (formerly known as superblue) as it can take the heat of a track day. I haven't ever done a race so cannot comment. I have braided brake hoses which also help feel. If you have a mk1 I would also recommend a brake bias valve as you need to push the bias backward to get more done by the rears. fit it and then read the instructions about altering the bias. I used to have a mk1. Interesting, I think the Rodders pads are ok but when pushing on a bit(!) the initial bite is a little soft. Might try the PBS ones next….👍🏻 hello Howard, speak to Stewart aka freakyparts he sorted me out and can also supply the technical data about the pads. |
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Post by Fizbne on Oct 14, 2021 10:00:45 GMT
Bruh. Is this an actual product that can be bought? pl0x link It was but the website I bookmarked seems to be gone so I guess they moved on to something else, its not a perfect solution as Zed describes but if you make something similar and adapt/make it so it cools from the disk centre you're golden. Ahhhhh gotcha. Yeah I don't have the time / effort to build some ducting ahaha |
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Post by Fizbne on Oct 14, 2021 10:09:38 GMT
I like PBS protrack for my nbfl 1.8 svt sport wit big brakes. I have just swapped from Roddisons and find the PBS pads have better modulation and firmer initial bite. I would also recommend ATE type 200 (formerly known as superblue) as it can take the heat of a track day. I haven't ever done a race so cannot comment. I have braided brake hoses which also help feel. If you have a mk1 I would also recommend a brake bias valve as you need to push the bias backward to get more done by the rears. fit it and then read the instructions about altering the bias. I used to have a mk1. Hows the dust on the PBS compared to Rodders? Thought I'd chime in here as well, I had pretty much the same experience as binner did. Used the Rodders pads on a 1.6 with 1.6 brakes, ATE Type 200 fluid and braided lines. At one of the Llandow days they worked pretty well, however after getting them hot the pedal feel was really spongy. They also started to fade after about 10 minutes of lapping Llandow, however I didn't completely lose braking performance. Once the car / brakes cooled down, for the whole day the pedal felt really spongy, but braking performance was good (if that makes sense). Switched to PBS Pro Track for this years Llandow, nothing changed apart from the pads, and I have to say they're much better than the Rodders pads in terms of feel and performance. Not once did I get brake fade or sponginess. They felt solid the whole day. Drove back home no problemos. Dust, about the same. Maybe a bit less actually. |
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Post by batou on Oct 14, 2021 10:42:20 GMT
Hows the dust on the PBS compared to Rodders? Thought I'd chime in here as well, I had pretty much the same experience as binner did. Used the Rodders pads on a 1.6 with 1.6 brakes, ATE Type 200 fluid and braided lines. At one of the Llandow days they worked pretty well, however after getting them hot the pedal feel was really spongy. They also started to fade after about 10 minutes of lapping Llandow, however I didn't completely lose braking performance. Once the car / brakes cooled down, for the whole day the pedal felt really spongy, but braking performance was good (if that makes sense). Switched to PBS Pro Track for this years Llandow, nothing changed apart from the pads, and I have to say they're much better than the Rodders pads in terms of feel and performance. Not once did I get brake fade or sponginess. They felt solid the whole day. Drove back home no problemos. Dust, about the same. Maybe a bit less actually. Noice, I was running fresh RBF660, braided lines and rodders on the 1.6 at Llandow and didn't really get that experience but I did do a few cooling laps after about 2-3 laps of going ham before going back at it (paranoid about oil temps). Also a few hp down on the ITBrapper and I was on prarrie canoe road tyres too. When the rodders are done I'll consider giving them a go, the dust thing isn't too much of an issue really as I'll be cleaning the wheels a bit more frequently from now on, but I do have a good reason for being a little more concerned....   I'll probably do bit of research into what is in the compound itself, rodders doesn't really give any info. I know Dixcel do a very low dust pad but they certainly sacrifice some performance so looking for a balance somewhere in the middle really. |
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Post by Fizbne on Oct 14, 2021 11:11:52 GMT
Thought I'd chime in here as well, I had pretty much the same experience as binner did. Used the Rodders pads on a 1.6 with 1.6 brakes, ATE Type 200 fluid and braided lines. At one of the Llandow days they worked pretty well, however after getting them hot the pedal feel was really spongy. They also started to fade after about 10 minutes of lapping Llandow, however I didn't completely lose braking performance. Once the car / brakes cooled down, for the whole day the pedal felt really spongy, but braking performance was good (if that makes sense). Switched to PBS Pro Track for this years Llandow, nothing changed apart from the pads, and I have to say they're much better than the Rodders pads in terms of feel and performance. Not once did I get brake fade or sponginess. They felt solid the whole day. Drove back home no problemos. Dust, about the same. Maybe a bit less actually. Noice, I was running fresh RBF660, braided lines and rodders on the 1.6 at Llandow and didn't really get that experience but I did do a few cooling laps after about 2-3 laps of going ham before going back at it (paranoid about oil temps). Also a few hp down on the ITBrapper and I was on prarrie canoe road tyres too. When the rodders are done I'll consider giving them a go, the dust thing isn't too much of an issue really as I'll be cleaning the wheels a bit more frequently from now on, but I do have a good reason for being a little more concerned.... I'll probably do bit of research into what is in the compound itself, rodders doesn't really give any info. I know Dixcel do a very low dust pad but they certainly sacrifice some performance so looking for a balance somewhere in the middle really. Dayung breh that is SWAAAAAAAAAAAAGSWAGSWAG. |
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