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Post by johnthebaptiste96 on Nov 9, 2020 20:08:55 GMT
hi guys - I need help with two issues, firstly what are the best racing brakes (usable on the road) ? I've hunted around throughout the forums but no luck, everyone seems to have their own fave brand.
Secondly where is the best place(s) to buy parts from?
Thanks for the help, as you can probably tell very new to this. Cheers
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Post by batou on Nov 9, 2020 20:25:37 GMT
Firstly which model/year are we talking? If you don't care about dusting and your not running a big brake kit, then plain disks, Castrol SRF fluid and Carbotech XP10 pads are the best things I've ever used, cold or hot. They might be over kill on the 5 so XP8s would probably be equally as good too. You'll need good fluid to cope with heat generated, not some generic stuff, budget for Castrol SRF, Motul RBF600/660/700 or ATE Superblue for example and consider upgrading the brake lines from rubber to steel braided, I use HEL. Freakyparts are good for this stuff they do the pads and lines. freakyparts.co.uk/For reference I've used the following that I can recall: OEM Brembo, lots of fade, good for road use. EBC Greenstuff, near death experience, I hear they have improved other compounds such as yellow stuff but no joke, I nearly died. For clarification, a lorry didn't see me and pulled out on a 60mph road, full emergency stop and the foot went to the floor (abs car), as the 2 month old pad disintergrated and fell away from the backing plate on the fronts. Lots of handbrake action and had to ditch into the verge to avoid, was too close to going under it, very shook up and a properly angery boi as a result. These were professionally fitted with brand new EBC disks and bedded in correctly. Never again EBC you kents. Mintex 1144, very good, heavy dust and wear and go off quickly. Performance Friction Z Rated pads, again, heavy dust/wear and worse than Mintex. Performance Friction 08s, overheated after a few laps 300bhp Exige S2 8-900kg. Carbotech XP10 - 45 minutes non stop at Snetterton in the summer in a 1100kg 280hp car, didn't even have to manage them, absolute perfection. I also used these in Novemeber and February in sub 4°C without issue.
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Post by jon on Nov 9, 2020 22:15:26 GMT
I've been running Carbotech XP8s with the mk2.5 bigger brakes road and track for a very long time. Other than being dusty and sounding a bit like a bus at low speeds it's hard to fault them.
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Post by atlex on Nov 9, 2020 22:31:18 GMT
mm tempted by xp8s :-)
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Post by wannabe on Nov 9, 2020 23:43:21 GMT
Welcome to the forum! I'm not sure if they're all available for the 5s, but I've used: Carbone Lorraine RC5+ Pagid Blue (RS4-2, I think they're called) Hawk HP+ I'd buy all of them again. All have good mu/friction from cold, all perform well when hot, all have at least a bit of squeal (because racecar ) Are they dusty? Er, yes but performance>looks I've not tried the Carbotech and I'm not sure they even make them in standard 1.6 NA size?? lol I did once buy EBC Greenstuff and EBC discs. As above, terrible... (I'm aware they appear to be marmite on the internet!)
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Post by dadbif on Nov 10, 2020 8:45:58 GMT
I have EBC green stuff on my 1.6, I never use it on track, but find them more than adequate. Plenty of dust. Oh, and I loooove Marmite.
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Post by Zed. on Nov 10, 2020 10:53:26 GMT
hi guys - I need help with two issues, firstly what are the best racing brakes (usable on the road) what do you mean by 'racing'? just upgraded 'hotter' brake-pads or do you mean as a complete package? pads are anyones guess . have you swapped to larger calipers & discs? if you mean a complete 'Racing' package then I'll guess you already have an idea (& budget!) for larger discs / calipers? - start with AP Racing for lightweight then look at Wilwood as a cheaper option. have you looked into front/rear bias adustability? can help spread braking-loads to lower the pads work / effort and increase lifespan as the mx5 is notorious for a heavy front bias from the factory everyone seems to have their own fave brand yup, Mintex or Ferrodo as friction material manufacturers for me (but I've not used competition compounds in my 5 so cannot comment on their suitability) and dont forget brakefluids, different boiling-points advertised by different manufacturers but some have a shorter lifespan Rich.
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Post by howardb66 on Nov 10, 2020 11:39:30 GMT
These are light cars so IMHE tend not to eat brakes, therefore you can justify a bit of expense. First port of call is to change the fluid unless you know it’s been done recently with good quality stuff. That will help the pedal feel a lot firmer. Pads; as per above. I currently use carbon lorraine RC5+, but have also had good results with Ferrodo DS2500. There’s a massive choice here- bofiracing.co.uk/brakes/brake-pads/
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Post by swordspork on Nov 10, 2020 14:21:04 GMT
I've recently upgraded to mintex m1144 pads with new oe spec discs. And miller's racing brake fluid.
Still bedding everything in but they seem fine on the road - not lost any initial bite compared to road pads. I'd like to test them out on track soon.
As others have said the cars quite light so you need not go mad. A bit of a refresh and some decent pads should be good unless you've got a bonkers FI set up.
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Post by wannabe on Nov 10, 2020 18:20:30 GMT
These are light cars so IMHE tend not to eat brakes, therefore you can justify a bit of expense. First port of call is to change the fluid unless you know it’s been done recently with good quality stuff. That will help the pedal feel a lot firmer. Pads; as per above. I currently use carbon lorraine RC5+, but have also had good results with Ferrodo DS2500. There’s a massive choice here- bofiracing.co.uk/brakes/brake-pads/Thanks for the link! Those carbotech are not cheap...
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Post by thruxton on Nov 10, 2020 18:46:27 GMT
A very effective pad for track days and road use are the ones developed and sold by Roddison Racing. Look at his history. ..... he's a man that knows what he's talking about. And a proven race series winner.
I've used them and still do. They work from cold, don't shed dust all over the place, don't squeal and, and, they work and are very cheap to buy!
You have to own one wicked track car to really justify bigger brake set ups on this very light car.
Regards. Rich.
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Post by howardb66 on Nov 10, 2020 19:12:45 GMT
A very effective pad for track days and road use are the ones developed and sold by Roddison Racing. Look at his history. ..... he's a man that knows what he's talking about. And a proven race series winner. I've used them and still do. They work from cold, don't shed dust all over the place, don't squeal and, and, they work and are very cheap to buy! You have to own one wicked track car to really justify bigger brake set ups on this very light car. Regards. Rich. Interesting stuff Rich. Roddisons pads look like good value too- I think I’ll buy a set & have a play with them at a trackday.
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Post by thruxton on Nov 10, 2020 19:45:55 GMT
Hi Howard. If you are disappointed with them I will be amazed.
I was talking with Paul at Blyton Park race track earlier this year and we had a long chat about brake pads. I've been using his pads for 4 years and they have been great.
I have to say. I have used many other makes also over the years. It's like the Roddison pads combine all the good things we like about the other pads without the downsides.
Work from cold. Don't fade. Don't squeal. Have a great feel to them. Don't have a big dust issue And they are very affordable.
I CAN NOT talk for Paul but I think that if you where absolutely disappointed with them he would possibly refund you.
Regards. Rich.
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Post by batou on Nov 10, 2020 20:39:48 GMT
These are light cars so IMHE tend not to eat brakes, therefore you can justify a bit of expense. First port of call is to change the fluid unless you know it’s been done recently with good quality stuff. That will help the pedal feel a lot firmer. Pads; as per above. I currently use carbon lorraine RC5+, but have also had good results with Ferrodo DS2500. There’s a massive choice here- bofiracing.co.uk/brakes/brake-pads/Thanks for the link! Those carbotech are not cheap... No, but they are literally the best pads I've ever used on track. I cant speak for the Roadster, so like I say the 10s may be overkill and you'll get locking issues, maybe even the 8s are, but when I used them on a heavier, more powerful car I stopped coasting and braking early, and literally stayed on the throttle until the last braking board I felt brave enough to brake at and they just work, having 100% trust brakes is a beautiful thing. If you don't have confidence in them you stay on them more, braking earlier and longer and end up putting more and more heat through them each lap compounding the problem. I'm williing to give others a try on the Roadster I'm sure the Rodders pads will be a good start, its a big ol' saving and I'm certainly not averse to that for sure. Also, whilst some of these pads are expensive, the Roadster doesn't eat pads (I think Ive done one set in the last 6 years lol) so something to consider is having two sets for road and track.... put some low dusting decent road pads on when your off track and you'll get a lot more life out of your expensive track pads only using them in their optimum window.
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Post by atlex on Nov 10, 2020 20:59:14 GMT
also.. pad prices seem way higher than I recall. INFLATION.
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