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Post by Horney on Mar 3, 2016 14:05:53 GMT
this is however why i started the thread. everyone has different experiences with different pads, Horney has had only good experiences with them and would recommend them. This means new people have variety. Not quite true. A few years ago I had a set of greens on a VW Corrado and they were terrible. Massive fade problems when braking from speed even if it was the first time. I spoke to EBC at Autosport about this a few years ago which was when they assured me they had been through a rough patch and had now reformulated all their pads. I haven't used greens since though and I'm not sure I would ever recommend any after my experience. I've been using yellows in the 5s for 5 years and in that time probably used 4 or 5 sets and they've been consistent in their quality. Question for the racers - should we be checking for cracks as well as meat? What do you look for? How regularly should we check? I try and strip and check my brakes after every event along with oil and filter change. I've never had the yellows crumble on me but I have set a front set on fire which was one of the reasons I upgraded my standard 1.6 set up to the Wilwoods. |
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Post by Horney on Mar 3, 2016 14:08:07 GMT
I always try and help the fellow racers and trackday guys out with brakes, in exchange for a bit of advertising on the car. If you're interested, give me a shout and I'll see what I can do. I'll chuck you a PM tonight, it's your Wilwood kit I run on the Sprint Car. I'm gunning for class victories this year! |
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Post by Flockshop Ron on Mar 4, 2016 18:08:15 GMT
Mintex 1144 on the front std mintex on the rear. Brilliant from cold. Bit dusty but worth it for the efficiency.
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Post by randomfactor on Mar 4, 2016 23:21:07 GMT
I ran axxis ultimate on my mk1 and found them superb on track (no fade after 25 minutes of track time on a 25°c day), however it was standard power so perhaps not so much of an issue as some of you face. My mk2 has some hawk something or others which squeal like a pig at the moment on the road. I'm looking forward to getting it on track to see how they perform there.
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Post by lazza on Mar 5, 2016 20:25:32 GMT
My favourites are Axxis ULT but these are impossible to get for Mk2.5 Sport brakes now. I'm currently on their replacements, Sporttech. Not as powerful as the ULTs, more like stock pads on the road but you just can't overheat them on track however hard you try!
If I had a purely road car I'd stick with stock Mazda pads as these have the best combination of value, bite, life and lack of dust.
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Post by wannabe on Mar 16, 2016 17:47:27 GMT
I ran axxis ultimate on my mk1 and found them superb on track (no fade after 25 minutes of track time on a 25°c day), however it was standard power so perhaps not so much of an issue as some of you face. My mk2 has some hawk something or others which squeal like a pig at the moment on the road. I'm looking forward to getting it on track to see how they perform there. I'd be interested in finding out which of the hawk pads you are running - my current (road) pads are so hit and miss that I fear not being able to stop if some kid runs out from behind a parked car. Do roddisons publish their mu / friction values on their pads? And is it £50 a set of front and rears?? The Hawk HP+ I'm looking at graph amazingly well (I've stuck the link on the yellowstuff pads thread on nutz) but they are £200... |
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Post by trackiebear454 on Mar 16, 2016 18:13:46 GMT
I ran axxis ultimate on my mk1 and found them superb on track (no fade after 25 minutes of track time on a 25°c day), however it was standard power so perhaps not so much of an issue as some of you face. My mk2 has some hawk something or others which squeal like a pig at the moment on the road. I'm looking forward to getting it on track to see how they perform there. I'd be interested in finding out which of the hawk pads you are running - my current (road) pads are so hit and miss that I fear not being able to stop if some kid runs out from behind a parked car. Do roddisons publish their mu / friction values on their pads? And is it £50 a set of front and rears?? The Hawk HP+ I'm looking at graph amazingly well (I've stuck the link on the yellowstuff pads thread on nutz) but they are £200... £50 per axle still great value as they are supposed to be very good |
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Post by wannabe on Mar 16, 2016 21:23:09 GMT
I'd be interested in finding out which of the hawk pads you are running - my current (road) pads are so hit and miss that I fear not being able to stop if some kid runs out from behind a parked car. Do roddisons publish their mu / friction values on their pads? And is it £50 a set of front and rears?? The Hawk HP+ I'm looking at graph amazingly well (I've stuck the link on the yellowstuff pads thread on nutz) but they are £200... £50 per axle still great value as they are supposed to be very good I agree  I just am keen to know how good they are from stone cold - and I like graphs...  lol |
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Post by AutotestAddict on Apr 29, 2016 13:10:39 GMT
I'm on yellowstuff front and redstuff rear, mostly because I forgot which ones I had on when I replaced the front, both are standard 1.8 discs. I haven't had a problem, or indeed heard that I should have had a problem.
I'm never sure whether my constant reliable tyre locking braking is due to my perfectly serviceable brakes, or my prarrie canoety tyres to be honest.
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Post by FFS Corders on May 3, 2016 23:31:00 GMT
been running axxis ULT for a fair few miles now and they are absolutely amazing
fully recommend them
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Post by howardb66 on Jan 24, 2017 15:48:22 GMT
Just completely wore out a set of EBCs at Cadwell last weekend (approx 150 miles) . Had a disaster trying to get my favourite Ferodo DS2500s to fit, now trying Carbon Lorraine pads PART NUMBER 4135 RC5+ compound. The guy there was extremely helpful in trawling through the catalogue to find the right fitment.
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Post by thruxton on Jan 24, 2017 16:29:23 GMT
Roddisons Motorsport pads.
For road and track. Brilliant.
Work from stone cold and never faded yet when asked to work very hard.
No dust issues at all.
Backed up with a master cylinder brace and very good brake fluid.
Rich.
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Post by wannabe on Jan 24, 2017 17:29:08 GMT
Well timed thread bump, seeing as I've just had some Hawk HP+ fitted They are ridiculously strong from even ice cold - even on a sub-zero morning the bite from them is better than the bite from my previous set (of unknown origin but look like the ECP Pagid pads with the black backing) when they had some heat in them. This is only an initial view as I've not done any sort of bedding-in procedure and have just been pottering about while I think my timing is out, but it might be that they are almost too good for the road - I am still adapting to them, but whereas previously the pedal was quite linear when warm, now only really minimal effort is needed and you're decelerating pretty sharply. I've a feeling they will be ferocious when they get some heat into them, but the mu graphs are pretty flat so hopefully they will be pretty consistent. Once I've had the timing checked and a service done, I can give the car some more welly and use the brakes some more. Due to their ridiculousness I fear they might cause some unintentional brake locking in an unplanned emergency throw-the-anchors-out stop, but the considerable bite from cold is what I was looking for when I was looking for a replacement set, simply because of the confidence they inspire. Previously, the existing set were not consistent and sometimes simply didn't really stop the car at all when cold (by which I mean even after a while driving without braking, not just when setting off initially), hence my earlier comments about fearing hitting something that ran out in front of me, but these seem great so far. For context, I have also previously run the following on past cars: - EBC grooved/drilled discs and Greenstuff pads - Pagid Blue - Carbone Lorraine RC5+ The Greenstuff were terrible - zero 'bite', a 'wooden' feel and poor retardation rates, and I wouldn't buy them again based on that experience. (I note internet comments about changing compounds etc.) I think I ended up parking the car up because I couldn't afford to fix it, so they must have been on the car when it sold. Pagid Blue were good - good bite when cold, not that squeal-y, and were great when hot. Disc wear was also pretty minimal. I only swapped them out after a couple of years (!), at which point I noticed they had several cracks in them, but that seems to have made no difference to performance. They weren't even very dusty, so although expensive, I think they were reasonably priced. CL RC5+ were great - a 'grindy' pedal feel even from cold, like you could feel the pad grinding the disc away, so great confidence at all temperatures. They where phenomenally strong when warm, and it was amusing to do a high-speed stop on road (such as into a roundabout after a long stretch of dual carriageway) because you could hold your foot on the brake pedal in one position and actually have the retardation get stronger as the pads got some heat into them  . That might have made modulation a bit tricky on the road, but on track and keeping temperatures up, I think they would have been epic. (Don't think I did a trackday on them in the end.) I would buy them again as I don't recall brake dust being an issue either, which I think the RC5 and RC6 were known for. Sometimes they squealed quite a bit in traffic but, you know... racecar Will report back when I've got some more miles on the Hawks! |
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Post by howardb66 on Jan 25, 2017 11:13:13 GMT
Well timed thread bump, seeing as I've just had some Hawk HP+ fitted They are ridiculously strong from even ice cold - even on a sub-zero morning the bite from them is better than the bite from my previous set (of unknown origin but look like the ECP Pagid pads with the black backing) when they had some heat in them. This is only an initial view as I've not done any sort of bedding-in procedure and have just been pottering about while I think my timing is out, but it might be that they are almost too good for the road - I am still adapting to them, but whereas previously the pedal was quite linear when warm, now only really minimal effort is needed and you're decelerating pretty sharply. I've a feeling they will be ferocious when they get some heat into them, but the mu graphs are pretty flat so hopefully they will be pretty consistent. Once I've had the timing checked and a service done, I can give the car some more welly and use the brakes some more. Due to their ridiculousness I fear they might cause some unintentional brake locking in an unplanned emergency throw-the-anchors-out stop, but the considerable bite from cold is what I was looking for when I was looking for a replacement set, simply because of the confidence they inspire. Previously, the existing set were not consistent and sometimes simply didn't really stop the car at all when cold (by which I mean even after a while driving without braking, not just when setting off initially), hence my earlier comments about fearing hitting something that ran out in front of me, but these seem great so far. For context, I have also previously run the following on past cars: - EBC grooved/drilled discs and Greenstuff pads - Pagid Blue - Carbone Lorraine RC5+ The Greenstuff were terrible - zero 'bite', a 'wooden' feel and poor retardation rates, and I wouldn't buy them again based on that experience. (I note internet comments about changing compounds etc.) I think I ended up parking the car up because I couldn't afford to fix it, so they must have been on the car when it sold. Pagid Blue were good - good bite when cold, not that squeal-y, and were great when hot. Disc wear was also pretty minimal. I only swapped them out after a couple of years (!), at which point I noticed they had several cracks in them, but that seems to have made no difference to performance. They weren't even very dusty, so although expensive, I think they were reasonably priced. CL RC5+ were great - a 'grindy' pedal feel even from cold, like you could feel the pad grinding the disc away, so great confidence at all temperatures. They where phenomenally strong when warm, and it was amusing to do a high-speed stop on road (such as into a roundabout after a long stretch of dual carriageway) because you could hold your foot on the brake pedal in one position and actually have the retardation get stronger as the pads got some heat into them . That might have made modulation a bit tricky on the road, but on track and keeping temperatures up, I think they would have been epic. (Don't think I did a trackday on them in the end.) I would buy them again as I don't recall brake dust being an issue either, which I think the RC5 and RC6 were known for. Sometimes they squealed quite a bit in traffic but, you know... racecar Will report back when I've got some more miles on the Hawks! Good review of pads, thanks for taking the time to write it. I really want to like the EBC products as they're pretty local to me but I've had them on a few cars now (Tailgate McNoIndicate, TVR & MX5) & they've always disappointed. Will give a review of the CL5+ when they've bedded in. I did struggle to find brakes for the 2.5 caliper & completely forgot about Roddison's. |
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Post by wannabe on Jan 25, 2017 14:29:33 GMT
Will look forward to your thoughts on the RC5+ I thought they were very good - not cheap, but it seems like one has to pay for performance in this day and age. I am keen to experience the Roddisons pads, though, reviewers seem to rate them highly and they are pretty cheap at c.£50/axle. |
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. That might have made modulation a bit tricky on the road, but on track and keeping temperatures up, I think they would have been epic. (Don't think I did a trackday on them in the end.) I would buy them again as I don't recall brake dust being an issue either, which I think the RC5 and RC6 were known for. Sometimes they squealed quite a bit in traffic but, you know... racecar 
