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Post by Horney on Feb 26, 2016 10:12:01 GMT
Are you in or out?
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Post by Pints on Feb 27, 2016 16:43:32 GMT
What if I just want to shake it all about?
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Post by welshy1 on Feb 27, 2016 16:47:25 GMT
Out but as the nutz version of this thread as rapidly gone down hill im leaving it to this comment lol.
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Post by ruggiebloke on Feb 28, 2016 0:50:42 GMT
Did anyone hide the link to this forum from No.1 Birdman?
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Post by johnners on Feb 28, 2016 15:29:42 GMT
Never mind no1 birdman it's Nick Cann that's causing all the trouble.
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Post by moro on Feb 28, 2016 17:46:42 GMT
Some genuine and honest questions or loud thinking if you like. Being a citizen and resident of a comparatively young EU member state I'm obviously not a voter and perhaps even a very indirect and involuntary, but still a burden on UK tax payer, but it's a kind of a thought experiment on how would I vote if I was.
- Brexit would mean better control of immigration. Immigration from young EU members has brought lots of cheap workforce to UK business, but also lots of unfair competition to British. The cheap workforce, being at the low end of income is probably an additional burden to social security. Limiting this might improve it for the people, but would it affect British business enough to make the total effect negative for economics?
- Import and export. I can't see trade wars starting between new smaller EU and UK (too many international corporations tied in), so not many changes there. Higher expenses for business due to more complex taxing, necessity to certify products for EU-oriented export, etc. though.
- Stoppage of EU-derived development programs. This could be replaced by national ones if government does their job (no chuckling please).
What am I missing?
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Post by myothercarsa2cv on Feb 29, 2016 9:05:41 GMT
I'm on the fence. I have a lot of colleagues from the EU, and I don't know what would happen to them if we left. I like the ease of travelling around Europe, the fact my international colleagues can just drop in as they please and vice versa. It works for me. But. There's very little fact floating around, and you can't trust anything politicians say, so does anyone know what a long exit will mean?
On the same token, I do believe we need to renegotiate our deal - DC failed, I'd have laughed in his face too, so if a 'leave' vote means the EU come back to us tail between legs then that's how I'd vote. However, everyone keeps saying out means out, so that's a risky vote for me, but again, you can't trust politicians. So what can I do? I need to do some serious reading up before making a decision, probably while I'm on holiday in Austria in a couple of weeks exercising my freedom of movement, potentially for the last time.
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Post by welshy1 on Feb 29, 2016 21:13:11 GMT
We travelled to europe with ease well before the eu become a thing so if we leave it will be the same you wont need visia etc. Also anyone already living here wont be sent back home neither.
Project fear from the in campaign will make it be like the end of the world if we leave 10 years of uncertenty etc it wont 2 years max to negotiate deals after that we can pave our own future.
We still trade outside the eu to europe because they need us more than we need them they export more to us than we to them. Our global exports net total of 47% to europe and 53% outside the eu and that is growing gap year on year.
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Post by Fizbne on Jun 16, 2016 3:57:38 GMT
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Post by Rickster on Jun 16, 2016 5:43:01 GMT
One major benefit of the EU is that Europe has had 70 years of peace between the larger countries, and it is now helping to break down the barriers in the Eastern European countries. It's an important economic benefit not to bomb the prarrie canoe out of each other! My problem with Brexit is that the UK leaving may start discussions in other countries, because of this, the Germans and French won't let us be a nonmember but continue to trade freely, If they do, then they know other countries will think - hey, we can be out but it won't make a difference! Oh - and I work for a German company - another good reason to stay!!!  |
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Post by Rickster on Jun 16, 2016 5:47:14 GMT
How do people think the vote is going to go?
I now think it might be a narrow victory for leave?
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Post by joeytalent on Jun 16, 2016 7:02:32 GMT
Reminds me a lot of the Scottish referendum. Vote stay for a fairly certain, predictable future or vote leave for a risky, uncertain future.
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Post by AutotestAddict on Jun 16, 2016 8:31:58 GMT
I live in a small market town and now see daily racist posts on my facebook feed about how we need to leave because otherwise "the muslims/immigrants will get us". Its depressing in the extreme. I think staying in is best, but I'm not sure. I am sure that a lot of out votes are being cast because of ignorance and the certainty that comes with that, so my own vote will have to be an in vote just to offset the lack of intelligent decision making by (sadly only) one other person.
There is a lot of talk about making Britain great again. I think if we swapped the far right shouty lot for some less entitled, more culturally aware, less ignorant immigrants that would make it a lot better. This referendum has made the racist/ignorant/idiot folk very loud, and it is depressing when you realise just how many morons there are around. I'll be glad when its over, either way, so it won't be as painfully obvious how many idiots there are.
I continue to blame Cameron for this nonsense, nothing good will come of it.
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Post by Clem on Jun 16, 2016 9:45:29 GMT
Reading this post has inspired me to write up this facebook post:
Which is believe to be worth thinking about ...
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Post by jeremyh on Jun 16, 2016 12:20:13 GMT
Having changed my mind on the referendum question 6 times in the last two month I have made up my mind how I will vote. Phew!
I ignored every UK politician because they are all talking Canoe Spheres.
I ignored every commentator because although some make good points none can resist some snide remark or other.
I tried my own weighing of risks either way and got lost in parochialism.
Then I recalled a quote that I liked at the age of 8; "When you're finally up at the moon looking back on earth, all those differences and nationalistic traits are pretty well going to blend, and you're going to get a concept that maybe this really is one world and why the hell can't we learn to live together like decent people." Frank Borman, Apollo 8.
Then I read a précis of the Treaty of Lisbon, that sets out the objectives of the EU.
I'm voting to remain in the EU.
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