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Post by chris71 on Apr 17, 2017 17:53:12 GMT
After some help please. Been offered a 3.6 torsen LSD diff. While I have know reason to doubt the person that has offered it to me just would like to ask what checks I can make to make sure it is what it should be. Currently have the diff at home so any help on what to look for would be gratefully appriated. Many thanks
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Post by atlex on Apr 18, 2017 21:15:53 GMT
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Post by minty on Apr 18, 2017 22:40:22 GMT
Do you know currently have the same ratio diff do you know?
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Post by chris71 on Apr 19, 2017 8:35:47 GMT
Thanks for the guide will have a look. With regards to the diff currently on the car I've no idea. Its a 1.6 1990 import
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Post by minty on Apr 19, 2017 8:50:18 GMT
Chris, you probably have a 4.3 VLSD, so you will lose acceleration going to 3.6 - perfect choice if you intend to go Turbo, but if staying NA I would personally not fit a 3.6 ratio. Your choice of course, just saying.
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Post by chris71 on Apr 19, 2017 11:12:08 GMT
Thanks Matt. Have no intention of going down the turbo route. Have been offered the 3.6 for £200. May have it then sell on. Chris
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Post by martiny on Apr 19, 2017 13:47:56 GMT
Just for info, in case you didn't already know, a 1989-1993 1.6 car will have a smaller diff than later cars (6" ring gear vs 7" ring gear) and so swapping in that torsen will also require swapping the driveshaft and halfshafts for the later type, which are a little shorter to accomodate the bigger differential.
I'd also note that, having run a 3.6 while supercharged and normally aspirated, you absolutely do notice that the NA car is slow off the line, but once it's moving it's fine. You just hold the gears longer than you're used to. With boost, it's nice to have a 1st gear you can use instead of just grabbing 2nd almost before the throttle's fully open. Winding it out to over 60 in 2nd gear is very pleasing.
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Post by minty on Apr 19, 2017 18:18:53 GMT
Good first hand experience from Martin there for you to make your mind up ( I only had a 3.6 when I had my FM2 turbo kit fitted)
Personally if having to change half shafts etc, I would look out for a 1.8 4.3 diff.
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Post by chris71 on Apr 19, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
I have the drive and half shafts that came with the diff as I stripped from a doner car I had and the agreement was always that the diff would go back to the original owner. The whole setup came off a factory BBR Turbo Please note that I've absolutely no knowledge of this type of thing and that all this is a HUGE learning curve. Thanks
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Post by chris71 on Apr 20, 2017 19:13:34 GMT
Wanting open up the diff I've been offered so I can get some pictures up of the internals to check what is what and get some feedback from you lovely people. The question I have is it look as simple as it looks ? Just wont to have any sudden surprises, like things falling out, springing off or such like. Also presume that I'd need to replace the gasket so would there be a brand that you'd recommend ? Sorry if these sounds like a stupid questions, but just want to be sure before I proceed. Thanks
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Post by martiny on Apr 21, 2017 10:15:45 GMT
There's no gasket between the two halves - just a smear of sealant - and nothing will drop out if you open it. But there's no need to open it up to identify the type - you just need a good clear view into the axle holes;
If there's a wide open hole right through the middle then that's a type 1 torsen. If there's a hole right through but its considerably smaller than the full width then that's a type 2 torsen. If there's a solid bar running right across the middle of the hole and the bar is round in section then it's an open diff If there's a bar but it's hexagonal then it's a Tojiki Fuji Super Differential.
The 3.6 you have will be a type 2, if it really is a torsen, but it might also be a Fuji misidentified as a torsen.
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Post by minty on Apr 21, 2017 10:52:16 GMT
Is your current diff broken, or just fancy a TorSen?
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Post by chris71 on Apr 21, 2017 17:43:29 GMT
Hi There is nothing wrong with the diff on my car just was told that the 3.6 was a great diff. Have had a look through the guide link given by Atlex and just from I can gather from that is the diff is a 1.8 torsen type 1 as it has the same half shaft plates as mine. From that link I have been able to tell that the diff on my car at the moment is the 1.6 finned cased VSLD. ( I think ) Also having read through here that the 3.6 would blunt off the line performance but enable you to take the up to 60 in 2nd does sound like fun and would that be the same for a normally aspirated 1.6 ?? Also Martiny post has got me confused (my fault not his) as cant see through diff. Something I'm missing I'm sure As said this all new to me, but I do want to learn. Any way have posted some pictures of the diff as a picture speaks 1000 words as they say. Don't worry about the moisture on the housing as that's just where Ive put on my home made penetrating fluid, thanks Atlex for that as well. Thanks
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Post by minty on Apr 21, 2017 18:14:01 GMT
I'm just concerned you will lose the revvy fun that the NA6 is all about if you fit this, but if you can try it first and then decide what you prefer as your current 4.3 is still working then that would be perfect I guess I 'think' the plates need to come off to look through it but someone who knows more (Martin) will confirm. Good luck, interested in hearing your thoughts if you fit it
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Post by atlex on Apr 21, 2017 19:53:44 GMT
my opinion - mk1 naturally aspirated... 4.3 FD is worth keeping or improving upon (4.78? )
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