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Post by super16bithero87 on Nov 15, 2020 18:42:53 GMT
Hi all new to this forum Need help on a intercooler Info Mx5 mk1 with power steering and ac Was thinking of a aftermarket honda radiator and putting the intercooler next to it .any ideas
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Post by atlex on Nov 15, 2020 19:46:22 GMT
Quite common to put in the CIVIC EG6 rad (G-Plus? etc loads on fleabay) has and then route the intercooler pipework around on each side. But not to put it on the side, rather to just put the IC in front.
Try and get the smallest IC you can for your power goals.
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Post by Zed. on Nov 15, 2020 19:59:43 GMT
following.. I looked at a honda rad for my NA setup (NA in an NA!) but decided against partly as it makes a messy pipework install I am building around a vw polo crossflow / twinpass rad for fi theres plenty of room for ic pipework on the sides as they're narrower than oem Mazda rads but somewhat more efficient mighty5s.com/post/44051/threadRich.
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Nov 20, 2020 23:46:07 GMT
I'd always go over the top, makes for a much shorter & neater pipe routing. You can get the intercoolers from Rally Design for about £120 and the pipework is easy to do with silicon pipes and ally connectors
Russell
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Post by atlex on Nov 21, 2020 20:47:54 GMT
shorter piping = better response.
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Post by warpspeed on Nov 23, 2020 23:29:52 GMT
I have been giving this whole Miata intercooler problem some thought. Basic problem, our cars are very prone to overheating, and there is bugger all room up front anyway. And as Mr Atlex correctly points out, short minimalist piping and intercooler volume has definite advantages. Now I am not normally a fan of water/air intercooler systems, but in our case it could have some advantages. The first thing is that the intercooler water radiator can be made very thin. An air/air intercooler has to be thick to have enough internal flow area, and a fat core seriously blocks cooling air to the engine cooling radiator. So a one inch thick core would block minimum air to our engine cooling radiator. The air/water actual intercooler part, can have a very large internal flow area and minimal internal pressure drop whilst being fairly small with possibly much shorter pipework. I have been looking at one of these: www.siliconeintakes.com/front-mount-intercooler/water-to-air-intercooler-p-1006.html?osCsid=j7v09r5upmi04qbrcbnreq3ti2The water radiator 24" x 14" and one inch thick would mount very nicely in front of the radiator, if the radiator was moved back slightly. I have seen just the water radiator, electric fan, and water circulating pump advertised separately by this same mob, but cannot find it right now. That, plus a smaller air/water intercooler core than the one above, might make a nice package for a Miata. Water/air systems do not seem to be used much if at all on Miatas, but I can see some advantages.
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Post by dadbif on Nov 24, 2020 8:31:23 GMT
When I was starting out on my SC install I researched a lot of ways to cool the air post charger, this is what I was going to use, www.ebay.co.uk/itm/153543113190Various sizes available, and it’s easy to install a small secondary radiator to cool the water (with an electric circulation pump) It would have fitted neatly above the thermostat housing where the cross pipe runs and was the main reason I did the coolant bypass mod, to reroute the top hose. In the end I never fitted one since I do not track the car and a properly set up ignition map and knock sensor prevent detonation.
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Post by batou on Nov 24, 2020 8:51:59 GMT
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Post by warpspeed on Nov 24, 2020 10:53:26 GMT
Yikes, that is certainly a bit spendy for what you actually get in the kit.
But that, or something very much like it is an excellent solution for something that has a mid/rear engine.
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Post by noobie on Nov 24, 2020 11:22:01 GMT
But that, or something very much like it is an excellent solution for something that has a mid/rear engine. Then why add the complication and weight to a front engined MX5? It will be less efficient and less reliable then an air-air intercooler too. I also don't get the recommendation to use the smallest core possible?
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Post by batou on Nov 24, 2020 11:35:25 GMT
Yikes, that is certainly a bit spendy for what you actually get in the kit. But that, or something very much like it is an excellent solution for something that has a mid/rear engine. Absolutely spendy, luckily someone else did the spendy bit as it was already on the car, given thats going on an exige its probably fairly light to not upset the ethos too much hence the price? noobie of course I wasn't sugesting using that exact setup on an FR car?! A boot full of heat exchanger and tonnes of pipe work, really? Less to go wrong with an A2A yes but the point is, where are you going to put this larger core for the blower without affecting the air flow to rad to cool the engine?
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Post by noobie on Nov 24, 2020 13:23:16 GMT
Yikes, that is certainly a bit spendy for what you actually get in the kit. But that, or something very much like it is an excellent solution for something that has a mid/rear engine. Less to go wrong with an A2A yes but the point is, where are you going to put this larger core for the blower without affecting the air flow to rad to cool the engine? In the nose of the car, in front of a decent radiator, each fed by their own duct. Just like every other reliable turbo track five that is able to reliably run in 30c degree weather.
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Post by batou on Nov 24, 2020 13:35:44 GMT
Less to go wrong with an A2A yes but the point is, where are you going to put this larger core for the blower without affecting the air flow to rad to cool the engine? In the nose of the car, in front of a decent radiator, each fed by their own duct. Just like every other reliable turbo track five that is able to reliably run in 30c degree weather. Problem solved then, same goes for a blower then which is what warpspeed was referring to?
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Post by jon on Nov 24, 2020 14:18:43 GMT
Over the top piping is in theory better, but has more packaging constraints - you have to chop holes in the top slam panel, possibly tilt the rad back or trim the bonnet webbing to get decent sized pipes and the bonnet to close - if the rad is tilted then you need to make ducting to seal in all of the gaps around the rad etc etc. Going under the headlights and round isn't that convoluted, and requires way less effort: The pipework may be slightly longer, but I would wager that nobody could tell the difference in 'performance', same as they couldn't between a small intercooler and a larger one (which still isn't that big on an MX5 anyway)
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Post by warpspeed on Nov 24, 2020 23:06:35 GMT
But that, or something very much like it is an excellent solution for something that has a mid/rear engine. Then why add the complication and weight to a front engined MX5? It will be less efficient and less reliable then an air-air intercooler too. I also don't get the recommendation to use the smallest core possible? I probably did not explain this very well previously...
Now which is going to block the most air to the engine cooling radiator ? 1/ A two and a half inch thick air/air intercooler core. 2/ A one inch thick water/air heat exchanger.
Both could have about the same frontal area, using up all the available space ahead of the engine cooling radiator and remove about the same amount of heat for cooling the boosted induction air.
One blocks the air to the engine cooling radiator a lot more than the other. That is the main advantage... We should achieve about the same final intercooling capacity, but with a slightly reduced risk of engine overheating because higher airflow through the radiator should be possible, all else being equal.
An additional bonus would be the potential reduction of induction pipe volume, and an increase in flow area through the intercooler core, resulting in a lower boost pressure loss. Disadvantages are a slight weight penalty, and more to go wrong.
If its well thought out and engineered, the disadvantages are minimal, and the improved engine cooling capacity may make it worth thinking about for an MX5 in a hot climate.
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