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Post by batou on Sept 7, 2021 12:37:47 GMT
but really who drives flat out in the wet to the point they would give up lots of dry performance (not me)? depends where you live? rains for ~ 9 months of 12 here and most of UK is similar  Rich. This is true, I tend to drive away from where I live in all honesty, if its wet I'm happy to have something slippy-ish but predictable and if the rain is that bad I'll take the AWD Subie with front and rear locking diffs if I need to get there quickly lol. The hardest part with "wet performance tyres" is not finding something with grip, its finding something where the slip isn't a sudden shock, when they rate these tyres I bet its heavily bias towards braking performance (because safety) but thats only important because the time the average pleb is staring at their phone increases the thinking time/distance. From personal experience, crashing isn't usually due to the lack of grip, its usually caused by grip, mostly how quickly and sudden you get that grip back and where your hands and feet are when it comes back lolol . |
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Post by Zed. on Sept 7, 2021 13:01:36 GMT
From personal experience, crashing isn't usually due to the lack of grip, its usually caused by grip, mostly how quickly and sudden you get that grip back and where your hands and feet are when it comes back lolol From MY personal experience, crashing is usually due to the lack of TALLENT ^^ written from a fair bit of experience  Rich. |
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Post by batou on Sept 7, 2021 13:08:43 GMT
From personal experience, crashing isn't usually due to the lack of grip, its usually caused by grip, mostly how quickly and sudden you get that grip back and where your hands and feet are when it comes back lolol From MY personal experience, crashing is usually due to the lack of TALLENT ^^ written from a fair bit of experience Rich. Indeed, that was my experience too. I should have probably reworded it "knowing where your hands and feet should be when it comes back" |
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Post by thruxton on Sept 7, 2021 16:58:08 GMT
Wow!
What a response. Thank you all very much for replying, great information here.
I shall now read and read again,.
Take notes.
Make a decision.
Let you all know what I decide to do.
It will take me a few weeks but I will post back here.
Thanks again for all the help. I appreciate it.
Regards.
Rich.
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Post by dickie on Sept 7, 2021 18:09:29 GMT
I have a set of NS2R on 7" rims which are only just legal, they were great on a hot dry day. Not very good on a dusty or damp surface. When I first fitted them I thought the diff had gone with the noise they made, then I though the propshaft was duff. In the winter I fitted winter tyres more for the cold and wet and all the nasty noises went away. I used the NS2R set for hillclimbs and sprints in the UK which usually take place on a damp dusty surface up someones front drive or on a bumpy runway.
I have fitted a set of pilot sports to my BBS wheels and they are much better for daily driving and they are a quiet tyre. The turn in is not so sharp but the damp and wet grip is much better. As a road tyre they are a better bet.
The car these were fitted onto is a Mk1 Rs Ltd. I have used the NS2R on a stock Rs and a 169bhp ITB Rs which is my current car.
I found the NS2R tyres needed to be hot to be at their best.
I am in the fortunate position of having three sets of wheels to play with. 7 x 15s / 6.5 x 15 OEM BBS / 6.5 x 15 from Mk 2.5
My feeling is that 7" is plenty wide enough for my 169 BHP any wider and the weight goes up which kills the acceleration and reduces the braking power due to the flywheel effect. I am after optimum performance in mixed use rather than boyracer looks.
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Post by wannabe on Sept 7, 2021 18:32:56 GMT
but really who drives flat out in the wet to the point they would give up lots of dry performance (not me)? depends where you live? rains for ~ 9 months of 12 here and most of UK is similar Rich. I prefer it when it rains - I think I like the more 'on the edge' feeling  because I'm an idiot / have too little risk in my life generally lol FWIW don't get NS2-R if you want quiet tyres!  As per Dickie, noisy / 'whirr' like hell! I thought they were very good in the wet for what they are, though, even with c.2mm of tread. As long as you're progressive with the steering, they'll grip really surprisingly well. They don't respond so well to sudden inputs, though... so best for open roads with lots of planning ahead and clear sight lines if you're going for a brisk drive! I found them to have very 'square' shoulders as well - so turning in felt like consistent feel but then needing to overcome a certain point / changing the attitude of the car. Hard to explain... but I'm going to look for rounder shoulders next time to give a more gradual 'limit'. |
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Post by batou on Sept 7, 2021 20:26:59 GMT
Thanks for the info on the NS2R guys, certainly food for thought. I have a set of NS2R on 7" rims which are only just legal, they were great on a hot dry day. Not very good on a dusty or damp surface. When I first fitted them I thought the diff had gone with the noise they made, then I though the propshaft was duff. In the winter I fitted winter tyres more for the cold and wet and all the nasty noises went away. I used the NS2R set for hillclimbs and sprints in the UK which usually take place on a damp dusty surface up someones front drive or on a bumpy runway. I have fitted a set of pilot sports to my BBS wheels and they are much better for daily driving and they are a quiet tyre. The turn in is not so sharp but the damp and wet grip is much better. As a road tyre they are a better bet. The car these were fitted onto is a Mk1 Rs Ltd. I have used the NS2R on a stock Rs and a 169bhp ITB Rs which is my current car. I found the NS2R tyres needed to be hot to be at their best. I am in the fortunate position of having three sets of wheels to play with. 7 x 15s / 6.5 x 15 OEM BBS / 6.5 x 15 from Mk 2.5 My feeling is that 7" is plenty wide enough for my 169 BHP any wider and the weight goes up which kills the acceleration and reduces the braking power due to the flywheel effect. I am after optimum performance in mixed use rather than boyracer looks. I'd mostly agree, 8J or 9J offer better looks and the option of wider tyres if you so desire but wider isn't always better. 7J is probably about right on this car and you can get a decent light wheel for not too much money. Weight depends on what you buy wheel wise, I want it all, aesthetics and performance, personally I wouldn't say 6.8kg per wheel is heavy for a 3 piece 15x8J, its certainly heavy on the wallet however   |
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Post by niklas on Sept 8, 2021 16:58:59 GMT
Most high end street tyres are quiet. I run re-002 205/50/15 on my 15x8"
They are quiet. Much more quiet than the 245 ar1s on the 15x9's
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Post by thruxton on Sept 8, 2021 17:51:40 GMT
All good information thank you all.
Keep it coming ....
Especially what you're running on 8" wide x 15" rims.
Regards.
Rich.
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Post by howardb66 on Sept 8, 2021 21:56:41 GMT
R888Rs are very noisy- don’t think the Db value on the sticker is very accurate. Have now switched to Yoko A052 - they’re a better tyre the dry & amazing in the wet. I was 3rd quickest outright at a wet Goodwood earlier this year- only got beaten by 1 single seater & a 4x4 Sierra. Oh & they’re quiet.😁 205/50R15  |
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Post by batou on Sept 8, 2021 22:33:55 GMT
R888Rs are very noisy- don’t think the Db value on the sticker is very accurate. Have now switched to Yoko A052 - they’re a better tyre the dry & amazing in the wet. I was 3rd quickest outright at a wet Goodwood earlier this year- only got beaten by 1 single seater & a 4x4 Sierra. Oh & they’re quiet.😁 205/50R15 Also have these on my shortlist as they do a 195/50r15 but might still be a bit chonky for my needed clearance, what size rim are you running these on? I read they get eaten up pretty quickly on some of the japanese forum/blogs but hard to quantify how badly in a broken google translation, hows the wear? thruxton this is a 205/50R15 Advan A052 on a 15x8J...  |
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Post by howardb66 on Sept 9, 2021 12:34:42 GMT
Ah that’s where rota got their ‘design inspiration’ from…👆
Treadwear wise, I’ve done about 2000 miles & roughly 30 laps in max attack mode- the tyres look like I’ve taken about 11/2 mm off the tread depth. Adams & Page in High Wycombe had them in stock & cheaper than anyone else.
*think my rims are 7”
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Post by batou on Sept 9, 2021 12:50:06 GMT
Ah that’s where rota got their ‘design inspiration’ from…👆 Treadwear wise, I’ve done about 2000 miles & roughly 30 laps in max attack mode- the tyres look like I’ve taken about 11/2 mm off the tread depth. Adams & Page in High Wycombe had them in stock & cheaper than anyone else. *think my rims are 7” Thanks howardb66 appriecate that. Haha yeah, the difference being the Volks are forged and in 15x7 they are about 4kg each (amazing). I did Rotas on my last car but they were going to be temporary until I ordered the real deal but ended up selling the car on instead, they weren't bad, just heavy. Its a shame really, there are some amazing wheel brands out there but the demand for them is low due to the market being swamped with cheap low quality replica's so they are even more expensive than they used to be now. The AD052s have about 5-6mm of tread new so thats not too bad, I did a bit more reading last night and found a guy who'd done did 157 laps and had to replace one with a used item due to it being damaged from a spin and then did another 86 laps elsewhere before needing to replace all 4, about 5500km in the end. This was on a mk1 eunos so probably wear is not as bad on lighter cars. Definetely have a look at these I think, I'll look them up as I have to head to Newbury later in the year to get the Subaru and HW is on the way  |
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Post by thruxton on Sept 10, 2021 18:36:50 GMT
I've made my mind up.
First though. Thank you all very much for your time here and suggestions. I've read them all and taken a lot of care over my choice.
I will not bore you with the details but my decision is to try a set of 4 ....
Yokohama Advan Fleva V701 tyres at 205/50x15"
In a few weeks I shall report back and let you know if this was a good or bad choice for me.
95% of my driving is now on the road and not on the track any longer.
I have become totally disenchanted with "Track-Days" and only now go to see my chums.
TD's are now mainly cars on trailers with slick tyres, people sneaking in a shake down or utter test day for their race cars or
clowns in Lotus 7 style cars that don't understand that the car in front has to yield to allow the overtake and it's on the straight part of the track ONLY!
So rather than raise my blood pressure after some 48 years of competitive driving I shall just not take part. Happy days.
Regards.
Rich.
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Post by atlex on Sept 10, 2021 22:25:36 GMT
^^
Quite interested to see how you get on with them. Not every tyre suits the 5. I think for road handling our car suite less grip and more response. Yokohama don't make bad tyres though, so you should be good.
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because I'm an idiot / have too little risk in my life generally 
As per Dickie, noisy / 'whirr' like hell!
le sigh