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Post by wannabe on Jul 12, 2020 9:58:23 GMT
The engine in V6's (now ex-)beast can be 'charged on standard internals to 500bhp IIRC...  They are much cheaper than an LS motor, and seemingly as light as a standard 5 engine!  (Without all the 'charger kit on, of course.) I appreciate that's not N/A, but a supercharger is closer to it than a turbo in that regard! If a J30 is only £200 to buy ( ) may I ask if you've priced up the rest or could estimate a ballpark figure? Not that I'm in any position to buy all the kit and pay to put it in, or have a garage to work in... lol |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jul 14, 2020 9:22:51 GMT
The engine in V6's (now ex-)beast can be 'charged on standard internals to 500bhp IIRC... They are much cheaper than an LS motor, and seemingly as light as a standard 5 engine! (Without all the 'charger kit on, of course.) I appreciate that's not N/A, but a supercharger is closer to it than a turbo in that regard! If a J30 is only £200 to buy ( ) may I ask if you've priced up the rest or could estimate a ballpark figure? Not that I'm in any position to buy all the kit and pay to put it in, or have a garage to work in... lol The rest is a really hard one to price, as with everything it's up to a load of choices on what you want and how far you want to take it, vs how much work you're willing to do yourself Swap kits are from $3-4,000 from Minitec depending on the options. Add a bit of custom work for an exhaust and a proper ecu setup and you'll probably be at £5-6,000 fairly easily. But ... I'm looking at doing a lot myself, partly because I don't think the Minitec solution is great, and partly to save money. I'll add in that a couple of other people are working on kits and bits for the J swaps as well, so there are more options on the way. I have the subframe already, and a couple of older (Gen 1 and Gen 2) Minitec sumps, 3 engines and a load of generic spares ... plus a set of stainless manifolds and a water pump adaptor. Total cost so far is about £1000, although remember that's parts for two cars, so I'm a fair way down the road for not very much. I'll need to get a gearbox adaptor ..... I can buy one from Minitec for $550, or I can make my own ... expensive to set up (£600) but cheap to replicate after that so I may go that route ECU is another big one ... generally people go to AEM as they do a plug & play one for the J series ... it's about £1200. Or you can use the oem one that comes with the engine for £0 Engine mounts I'll make myself, although they come on the Minitec gearbox adaptor if you go that route I'd say I have about £2,000 to spend to get mine on the road from where I am now ... but a further £500 ish will get the second one on the road. That will get me on the road at about 250bhp, but nowhere near 'finished' ... so add about another £2,000 for a proper ecu, better intake and TB to get me closer to the 300bhp barrier. So my total cost should be about £6,000 to build 2 cars ... one running a proper AEM ecu and close to 300bhp, the other a real budget build running whatever the standard engine has now ... 230bhp? I think if I really wanted to do all the fabrication myself, I could get a car on the road for about £1,000, but there's so many drawbacks to it that it's not worth it for me Russell |
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Post by wannabe on Jul 26, 2020 20:40:17 GMT
The engine in V6's (now ex-)beast can be 'charged on standard internals to 500bhp IIRC... They are much cheaper than an LS motor, and seemingly as light as a standard 5 engine! (Without all the 'charger kit on, of course.) I appreciate that's not N/A, but a supercharger is closer to it than a turbo in that regard! If a J30 is only £200 to buy ( ) may I ask if you've priced up the rest or could estimate a ballpark figure? Not that I'm in any position to buy all the kit and pay to put it in, or have a garage to work in... lol The rest is a really hard one to price, as with everything it's up to a load of choices on what you want and how far you want to take it, vs how much work you're willing to do yourself Swap kits are from $3-4,000 from Minitec depending on the options. Add a bit of custom work for an exhaust and a proper ecu setup and you'll probably be at £5-6,000 fairly easily. But ... I'm looking at doing a lot myself, partly because I don't think the Minitec solution is great, and partly to save money. I'll add in that a couple of other people are working on kits and bits for the J swaps as well, so there are more options on the way. I have the subframe already, and a couple of older (Gen 1 and Gen 2) Minitec sumps, 3 engines and a load of generic spares ... plus a set of stainless manifolds and a water pump adaptor. Total cost so far is about £1000, although remember that's parts for two cars, so I'm a fair way down the road for not very much. I'll need to get a gearbox adaptor ..... I can buy one from Minitec for $550, or I can make my own ... expensive to set up (£600) but cheap to replicate after that so I may go that route ECU is another big one ... generally people go to AEM as they do a plug & play one for the J series ... it's about £1200. Or you can use the oem one that comes with the engine for £0 Engine mounts I'll make myself, although they come on the Minitec gearbox adaptor if you go that route I'd say I have about £2,000 to spend to get mine on the road from where I am now ... but a further £500 ish will get the second one on the road. That will get me on the road at about 250bhp, but nowhere near 'finished' ... so add about another £2,000 for a proper ecu, better intake and TB to get me closer to the 300bhp barrier. So my total cost should be about £6,000 to build 2 cars ... one running a proper AEM ecu and close to 300bhp, the other a real budget build running whatever the standard engine has now ... 230bhp? I think if I really wanted to do all the fabrication myself, I could get a car on the road for about £1,000, but there's so many drawbacks to it that it's not worth it for me Russell Apologies - I think I read this previously and then totally forgot to say thanks! That seems very reasonable for the DIY option, I hope you can get them done without too much hassle! |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jul 27, 2020 10:55:02 GMT
It's the same as a lot of swaps I guess, I know few people in the US have done LS V8 swaps for under $5k but generally people spend more like $20-30k to do it properly. I'll approach it from the DIY end because the design side intrigues me, and that's the budget I have ... but my timescale is incredibly elastic as I have several other cars I can drive
Russell
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Post by wannabe on Jul 27, 2020 11:59:34 GMT
$5k LS swap I like the fact the 1.6 won't try to kill me unless I'm totally dicking about, but having the same or more power as the V6 in V6's monster certainly makes life more interesting and every drive is an event  lol |
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Post by V6 on Jul 27, 2020 12:57:25 GMT
You always want what you don't have. To be honest there were times I prefferred going back in Wannabe or Gavins 1.6... the playful safe nature, slightly better steering, deffo better dampers than mine, being able to fully wring it out... little details of the OEM car are just so much fun. Sure, power gets addictive, but it's far from everything. Enjoy whatever you have Aside from playing with bikes, I'll be going even smaller for my next toy. Maybe a four pot mid range Caterham? When funds / investments allow. 200bhp, half a ton, possible nirvana? |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jul 27, 2020 23:28:22 GMT
You always want what you don't have. To be honest there were times I prefferred going back in Wannabe or Gavins 1.6... the playful safe nature, slightly better steering, deffo better dampers than mine, being able to fully wring it out... little details of the OEM car are just so much fun. Sure, power gets addictive, but it's far from everything. Enjoy whatever you have Aside from playing with bikes, I'll be going even smaller for my next toy. Maybe a four pot mid range Caterham? When funds / investments allow. 200bhp, half a ton, possible nirvana? Very true, and part of the reason I usually have 2 or 3 cars on the go at any point in time ... one to mess with and one to drive I was fortunate enough to drive a very sorted Reynard a few years back ... under 400kg and over 400bhp, I thought it was an insane piece of kit but the owner wanted more power as a couple of cars in his class were running Judd V8s at around 6-700bhp! Funnily enough I've just got hold of a kit car chassis ... unsure how it will be built up yet but the running gear is MX5 Russell |
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Post by V6 on Jul 28, 2020 6:56:37 GMT
700bhp in 400kg? Errr... terrifying much?! Probably more relaxing to jump off a skyscraper |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jul 29, 2020 22:07:16 GMT
700bhp in 400kg? Errr... terrifying much?! Probably more relaxing to jump off a skyscraper 23 seconds up Shelsley Walsh ... yep, relaxing isn't quite how I'd describe it🤣 Russell |
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Post by atlex on Jul 29, 2020 22:34:32 GMT
700bhp in 400kg? Errr... terrifying much?! Probably more relaxing to jump off a skyscraper 23 seconds up Shelsley Walsh ... yep, relaxing isn't quite how I'd describe it🤣 Russell  |
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Post by V6 on Jul 30, 2020 7:33:00 GMT
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. I have no desire to ever be that fast. I think there is a balance, where you also want to enjoy the journey to some extent, even in a performance focused vehicle. Sure, that is a competition so it's taken to an absolute extreme. I'm really thinking these days that sensible power in much less weight is the way forwards  Be it in cars or bikes. Otherwise it's very easy to turn a playful blast into a terrifying / dangerous weapon you have to be constantly wary of. |
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Post by wannabe on Jul 30, 2020 16:23:06 GMT
700bhp in 400kg? Errr... terrifying much?! Probably more relaxing to jump off a skyscraper 23 seconds up Shelsley Walsh ... yep, relaxing isn't quite how I'd describe it🤣 Russell That looks like it's on double speed  lol |
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Post by wannabe on Jul 30, 2020 16:23:43 GMT
I'm really thinking these days that sensible power in much less weight is the way forwards Be it in cars or bikes. Otherwise it's very easy to turn a playful blast into a terrifying / dangerous weapon you have to be constantly wary of. Just to be clear... which camp does the V6 fall into? lol |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jul 31, 2020 12:26:15 GMT
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. I have no desire to ever be that fast. I think there is a balance, where you also want to enjoy the journey to some extent, even in a performance focused vehicle. Sure, that is a competition so it's taken to an absolute extreme. I'm really thinking these days that sensible power in much less weight is the way forwards Be it in cars or bikes. Otherwise it's very easy to turn a playful blast into a terrifying / dangerous weapon you have to be constantly wary of. I have to admit I've been rethinking my V6 plans ... my problem will always be wanting more, and I think I'd find myself sinking £000s into it chasing after 300bhp, then 320, then 350 etc. Once I'm past what the MX5 gearbox and diff can handle I'd be putting Tailgate McNoIndicate stuff in ... etc, etc. Need to do all my thinking now before I buy any of the large items Russell |
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Aug 27, 2020 7:53:42 GMT
In a change from the norm, I've bought another MX5 ... ok no big change there I guess. Yes it's another early Mk1 and no, of course it doesn't work! The difference is I intend to fix this one and drive it for a bit, get back to getting some enjoyment out of driving an MX5, something that's been missing for a while It's a 91 Mariner blue car, tatty and a bit rusty so not a keeper but it has a bit of MOT left and just has some basic running issues. It won't start, and I know there's an issue with the clutch. It has a hardtop, but that will be sold and the soft top leaks so I'll find and fit a replacement  Managed to get it running by replacing the battery, and fixed the lumpy tickover by replacing the plug leads ... all simple stuff so far. The car came with a clutch slave cylinder in the boot, so I got on with replacing that  That was easy enough, and I enlisted my son Lawrence to be the pedal man and help me bleed the system.  I'd been told this can be a bit of a nightmare, but it took about 5 minutes and the clutch fluid was coming through without any air bubbles. Quick check and the pedal felt firm enough, so I put wheel back on and put the car back on the ground to see if it worked. 2 minutes and a successful drive later, it worked! As that was the first time I'd driven the car I just turned it round on my drive but I'll check around the car and do a proper drive at some point over the weekend Russell |
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(Without all the 'charger kit on, of course.)
lol
Be it in cars or bikes. Otherwise it's very easy to turn a playful blast into a terrifying / dangerous weapon you have to be constantly wary of.
lol
le sigh