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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Jan 28, 2020 22:11:53 GMT
I haven't finally decided what wheels to go for, but I'm thinking I'll get some decent ones. I was always planning to replace my JR items at some point anyway as I liked the look of them but they were fairly heavy and not very well finished (though cheap). I'm looking at some Image wheels at the moment, but they aren't cheap! Image wheels are actually quite heavy ... my old 15 x 7s were just shy of 7kg, I'd probably look elsewhere Russell |
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Post by atlex on Jan 28, 2020 23:01:49 GMT
I haven't finally decided what wheels to go for, but I'm thinking I'll get some decent ones. I was always planning to replace my JR items at some point anyway as I liked the look of them but they were fairly heavy and not very well finished (though cheap). I'm looking at some Image wheels at the moment, but they aren't cheap! Image wheels are actually quite heavy ... my old 15 x 7s were just shy of 7kg, I'd probably look elsewhere Russell idd most rebuildable multipiece wheels will be too heavy as a rule. I don't think any 15" multipieces ever come under 7KG unless they're 5.5" wide or less. They're not about lightness with those bolts and stuff. fellows to get under 6KG you need a monoblock, whether it's cast and flow-formed barrel, or the more expensive properly forged, or billet+CNC. Here's a list from my research notes. SSR Type C 15x7 +35 4.03KG Volk CE28N 15x7 +28 4.1KG (TE37 is about the same) Wedsport TC-005 15x6.5 +30 4.5KG RACING HART CP-F 15x7 +40 4.7KG Wedsport TC-05 15x6.5 +30 5KG OZ Superleggera 15x7 +37 5.3KG ATS DTC 15x7 +35 5.7KG also look at the Enkei RPF1 and the 949 Racing 6UL which are widely available and contenders with the above. Alex |
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Post by fellows on Jan 29, 2020 9:07:13 GMT
Cheers for that info, very interesting.
I spoke to Image, and the wheels I was interested in the reckoned came in at 6kg, and also £1700 the set! A bit too rich for me...
So back to the drawing board. I've looked at Enkei RPF1s and they are a good wheel. Not the style I really want, but very light and quite a good price. The quest continues...
I want a retro style wheel ideally, but these tend not to be the lightest options.
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Post by Snomad on Jan 31, 2020 22:00:57 GMT
I've just completed a very thorough wheel & tyre hunt. I'm fairly sure that these numbers are accurate I looked for evidence in several places. Here's some highlights (mostly retro):
Wheels Watanabe F8F (Cast) 14x6.5 +30 6.4kg Watanabe F8F (Cast) 15x6.5 +23 6.6kg Watanabe F8F (Forged) 15x6.5 +23 4.7kg Rota RB 15x7 +30 6.4kg
Panapsort 15x7 +38 6.4kg
Bridgestone Super RAP 14x6.5 +38 4.9kg
Corns CMC-03 14x7 +20 6.0kg
Corns CMC-01 15x7 +25 4.8kg
949 Racing 6UL 15x7 +36 4.8kg
Enkei RPF1 14x7 +28 3.9kg
Enkei RPF1 15x7 +35 4.5kg
OEM Daisy 14x5.5 +45 5.6kg
Under 7kg was my requirement, and ideally under 5kg without spending a fortune.
Tyres
195/50/15:
Toyo T1R (UK) 8.2kg
Dunlop Direzza Z111 (USA) 8.2kg
Hankook Véntus R-S4 (USA) 8.6kg
Bridgestone Potenza RE-71R (USA) 9.1kg
Yokohama Advan A052 (USA) 7.7kg
Hankook Ventus V2 Concept 2 (USA 7.3kg
185/60/14
OEM Dunlop at launch in 1989 7.4kg
Dunlop Direzza Z111 (USA) 7.7kg
Hankook Kinergy ST (USA) 6.8kg
Vredestein SportTrac 5 (UK) 6.5kg
My combo of 14" Bridgestone Super RAPs and Vredestein SportTrac 5 weigh 11.4kg inc wheel weights
Useful wheel weight links:
MX5 OEM wheels with pics
Table of Wheel Weights
Note: I didn't just take my data from these sources.
Hopefully this is helpful
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Post by Snomad on Jan 31, 2020 22:17:05 GMT
I bought my first MX5 in 2001. My boss had just lent me his Mazda Miata to drive 10 hours over three days from Plattsburgh NY to New York City, and I drove route 100 down through rural Vermont. It was an epic drive in a completely standard 1990 Miata. At the time in England there were heaps of grey import specialists with 8-10 MX5s on display. My original goal was to find an MX5 that didn't look 'girly'; so I drove all over the south of England testing cars with arch kits, lowering springs, wide wheels etc. I must have driven 7 or 8 and none of them held a candle to the car I remembered from Vermont. In frustration I test drove one on OEM daisys and it drove brilliantly, and the penny dropped. In the end I found a lovely red 1991 on 15" BBS split rims which I was very pleased with. When I bought my NSX in 2008 I tracked down some 16"/17" OEM/BBS 'Type S' wheels to replace the OEM 15"/16" setup standard at launch. I have to admit that even those high quality forged wheels that had been specced by Honda for their performance model adversely impacted the road driving experience. But I have stuck with them because they look great, there is a better selection of tyres available, and the difference was not night and day. My switch this winter from 15" to 14" on my black V Special was an attempt to test the theory again. So far I'm very pleased and I'm completely embracing the feminine look  |
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Post by dadbif on Feb 1, 2020 10:01:14 GMT
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Post by fellows on Feb 2, 2020 16:19:07 GMT
Thanks for the information, that is all very useful. I'm now tending towards Enkei RPF1s which as I say, isn't quite the look I was going for. However, I want it to be nice to drive over looking cool so that seems a good route to try.
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Post by mrwallace on Feb 3, 2020 12:55:40 GMT
Thanks for the information, that is all very useful. I'm now tending towards Enkei RPF1s which as I say, isn't quite the look I was going for. However, I want it to be nice to drive over looking cool so that seems a good route to try. RPF1's look awesome!
15x8 et 28 are 5.0kg each on my bathroom scales
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Post by atlex on Feb 3, 2020 15:13:24 GMT
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Post by fellows on Feb 3, 2020 17:55:24 GMT
Thanks for the information, that is all very useful. I'm now tending towards Enkei RPF1s which as I say, isn't quite the look I was going for. However, I want it to be nice to drive over looking cool so that seems a good route to try. RPF1's look awesome!
15x8 et 28 are 5.0kg each on my bathroom scales
That does look good. To be fair, I have always liked those wheels, but started out having heart set on a more retro style. But definitely coming round to them now! |
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Post by wannabe on Feb 3, 2020 20:33:17 GMT
Are Minilites (or a copy) an option? Snomad - dare I ask how much your Magnesium Super RAPs cost?? lol I know the RPF are not that cheap... |
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Post by Snomad on Feb 3, 2020 23:02:07 GMT
The Bridgestone Potenza Super RAP Battle (to give them their full name!) were produced between 1988 and 1998 as a superlight clubman racing wheel for the Japanese market. If you look for them on JP Yahoo Auctions and do a currency conversion you'll see they are highly prized, even before you pay a commission, shipping, and import taxes. I've only spotted a few sets that have made it over here. I paid less than the cost of a set of new RPF1s, and less than I would have paid for them in Japan, but they were quite expensive for 20-30 year old used wheels!
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Post by atlex on Feb 4, 2020 10:35:44 GMT
some of the CMC wheels are a great 'ode' to it, also. But not everyone loves the steelie look.
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Post by Snomad on Feb 4, 2020 21:20:29 GMT
some of the CMC wheels are a great 'ode' to it, also. But not everyone loves the steelie look. My love for the gold centred CMC-01 was what led me to the Super RAP. Further digging revealed that Corns do a budget version in the same style called the CMC-03 :-) Their pricing does take the piss a bit though!  |
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Post by Zed. on Feb 4, 2020 22:17:16 GMT
Their pricing does take the piss a bit though! that applies to a lot of the scene stuff & anything jdm or desireable  Rich. |
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le sigh