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Dec 15, 2016 14:19:22 GMT
Post by quinvy on Dec 15, 2016 14:19:22 GMT
I can't believe anyone would run with open ITB's.
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Dec 17, 2016 21:34:40 GMT
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Dec 17, 2016 21:34:40 GMT
I feel like someone at an AA meeting ... "I just bought another set of throttle bodies" ....
Russell
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Dec 18, 2016 8:53:02 GMT
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Post by Horney on Dec 18, 2016 8:53:02 GMT
I feel like someone at an AA meeting ... "I just bought another set of throttle bodies" .... Russell You only just sold me your last set!
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Dec 18, 2016 13:58:59 GMT
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Post by Vindi (Russell) on Dec 18, 2016 13:58:59 GMT
I feel like someone at an AA meeting ... "I just bought another set of throttle bodies" .... Russell You only just sold me your last set! I know, needed the money but regretted it straight away ... so now I have some more, exactly the same!! Russell
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Dec 20, 2016 12:34:20 GMT
Post by josho on Dec 20, 2016 12:34:20 GMT
I can't believe anyone would run with open ITB's. Whys that? I run mine open, so much noises! Admittedly I won't be on the new engine I am building but on my current setup I dont have filters.
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Dec 29, 2016 0:42:47 GMT
Post by Ptichka on Dec 29, 2016 0:42:47 GMT
Right, I've got a bit of money to burn, so I'm going to buy some GSXR750 bodies and make a start collecting parts.
Just wondering what everyones done regarding pcv/breather plumbing?
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Dec 29, 2016 9:21:51 GMT
Post by Horney on Dec 29, 2016 9:21:51 GMT
No idea yet. Build starting in the next month though.
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Dec 29, 2016 11:44:28 GMT
Post by retrorodster on Dec 29, 2016 11:44:28 GMT
Unsure about the 750s, but the set of K7/K8 GSXR1000 bodies I'm planning to use has existing ports for both IAC and PCV which are fairly similarly sized to the MX5 setups.
If it has multiple injector mounts you could have these tapped, ran to a vacuum block, and use that?
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Dec 29, 2016 11:48:52 GMT
Post by moro on Dec 29, 2016 11:48:52 GMT
Right, I've got a bit of money to burn, so I'm going to buy some GSXR750 bodies and make a start collecting parts. Just wondering what everyones done regarding pcv/breather plumbing? To keep as close to factory-style arrangement as possible you'd need an intake plenum and 2 separate catch tanks: a) exhaust side PCV valve into catch can A; catch can A into vacuum block or one of the bodies after throttle; b) intake side breather into catch can B; catch can B into plenum. At part loads A provides vacuum, pulling fresh air through crankcase, the said air entering crankcase through B. At full load pressure / oil mist exits through B into intake and then combustion chambers. Of course I can't imagine anyone doing it like this for practical (and performance) reasons. A reasonable solution would be to get rid of PCV valve and feed both valve cover breathers into a catch can with a breather filter. Or if you're lazy like me leave PCV in place unplumbed (PCV is closed as long as no vacuum is applied from outside) and feed the intake side breather into a vented catch can. This is how mine is done. Your mileage effect on environment may vary.
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Dec 29, 2016 14:04:56 GMT
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Post by retrorodster on Dec 29, 2016 14:04:56 GMT
I have a pair of catch cans. Currently on stock ecu/MAF so the exhaust side breather draws from the crossover pipe. Once the ME221 goes in it'll be drawing from atmosphere (filter).
An unplumbed PCV won't function, and will allow for all sorts of nasties to build up in the block.
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Dec 29, 2016 19:59:50 GMT
Post by atlex on Dec 29, 2016 19:59:50 GMT
If you ITB it you can make this magic vacuum block. "omgpham" has a good guide on doing it against all cylinders on whatever his setup is. ...agreed with retroroadster.. defo toss the PCV valve with ITB. - if you do a vac block... Keep it pristine just for running the MAP sensor and brake booster. if you want to draft fumes out of the PCV side of the cam cover, get a nice 13mm-> 10/8mm reducer instead. or drill out the old PCV valve. then VTA the breathers, via whatever you feel comfortable with. Many just toss filters on both sides and meh. My overkill setup is described below: My ITB car .. when I got it.. had a hot-side catch can with "burnt to solid" pipes and a cusco catch. and a draft tube - draft tube got me thinking - crafty japanese!, but it being hot-side and right next to the exaust the hose had turned to solid plastic. - there are two breather pipes out the cam cover.. so I thought... and bought a much nicer three-way catch (two inputs, one output) off mishimoto. I still VTA but via said catch can which includes a particular filter (some small micron) and draft pipe on the output side. this is the lightest "not directly spraying it direct into the atmosphere" setup. draft pipe is a hose down to the lower part of the engine bay, just past the undertray. OEMs don't do this anymore - illegal now.. - it used to be a direct vent on 50s/60s motors before the euro/california eco-law came in. with maybe an OWV to stop creature ingress, but still fairly eco-friendly if you put a catch can in between it and the breather pipes. just empty it now and then when the car is moving, air passes the end of the draft pipe, causes a vacuum, which will pulls the fumes out of your crank shaft or cam covers - a bit better than just a filter would sticking out the end of the catch can, or even just a filter sticking on the breather pipe. here is a shot of my setup. you can see two inputs into the little black catch can on the bottom left and one fat one going down to the undertray:
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Dec 29, 2016 21:48:58 GMT
Post by Ptichka on Dec 29, 2016 21:48:58 GMT
Thanks for the answers all!
Atlex, that is a nice solution, and probably the one I'll end up doing.
The only one I'd thought of was what Moro suggested and going all captain planet and hooking it through a catch can to the vacuum mani, but as you mentioned you don't really want oil vapour in the vac block due to the map sensor.
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Dec 30, 2016 1:27:44 GMT
Post by joeytalent on Dec 30, 2016 1:27:44 GMT
I ran no catch can, the PCV valve and a breather filter, no vacuum block; just one vac feed for the brake servo and four vac feeds T'd into one for the MAP sensor. I used Alpha-N mapping.
I ran that for three years, with no problems. I didn't even run filters on the ITBS. Actually, I ran a catch can for about 3 months, but the piece of prarrie canoe bracket it was on came off when I went over a pothole so the whole thing went in the bin.
I'm not saying it was perfect; my point is more that there's a lot harder parts of an ITB build than sorting your catch can setup out. Get up and running with ITBs and management first, that's the real hard part.
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Jan 28, 2017 23:06:36 GMT
Post by Ptichka on Jan 28, 2017 23:06:36 GMT
Another question regarding the ITBs, for anyone running an inclined manifold could you measure the angles are inclined to the block, fairly sure Jenvey list 20 deg for their manifolds. Also, what is the total length from the flange to the end of the bodies? Just trying to get an idea what size people have managed to fit and clear the brake booster. Cheers.
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Jan 29, 2017 8:47:00 GMT
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Post by Horney on Jan 29, 2017 8:47:00 GMT
Test fitted mine on the VVT engine on the stand yesterday. They look awesome. Can't wait to get he car built and running.
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